i can't just look up sugarless lollipops or unsweet lollipops because that only directs me to lollipops with sugar substitutes in them i don't want that?? i don't want any sweetness i just want like a barley lollipop or like maybe lavender or something bitter why is this world so fucked up
Kirara 🚗
im pretty frustrated at how horrible google is now
Anno
if i don't want sweet lollipops why would i want ones with sugar subsitutes in them
Anno
they could just do bourbon vanilla lollipops that contain litterly no sugar in it and wouldn't be at all sweet that sounds great
>>486554 i wonder how difficult/expensive it'd be to make
Anno
>>486556 not very provided you've already got some startup equipment and a decently-sized workspace/kitchen, you could make things like that for probably a dozen dollars for several dozen candies like maybe 15 bucks per hundred? it probably wouldn't be cost efficient to make it in small quantities you can do that with soaps too for like 50-ish cents a bar to a dollar a bar and sell it for six bucks a bar, but there's so many soaps on etsy and at farmers markets already so that it's a little competitive edibles are where it's at though
if i had a decent home and could afford things, i would like to make and sell candies and crafts on etsy bourbon vanilla lollipops sound really good
oh i think it's profitable for sure with etsy, amazon, and whole foods, getting your products placed is actually super easy it's just a matter of affording the time of preparation and establishment and people who can afford to have three months of preparation before any payoff tend to be people who have better opportunities available to them just by virtue of their circumstance so the only people really occupying that space are the housewives who don't really need to work but just do it with their girlfriends once every weekend or two
someone who takes that seriously can make pretty good money if they treat it as a daily, serious job and many do
people who use bar soap generally use it because they like the qualities of it so they're more willing to go and buy unique soaps that capitalize on those qualities
>>486563 being a housewife that does arts and crafts sounds nice
>>486569 Yeah but I can get 6 bars of decent enough soap for that same price so the 6 dollaroo soap would have to be some real nice one
Anno
that's kind of the point of bar soaps they're soothing and smell good don't dry out your skin, have stuff in it that soothes itching and leaves an enjoyable fragrance
but still big stores here sell luxury soaps for 4-6€ already, but I guess you could attract audience better with the artisan factor compared to mass industrial produced stuff
Anno
>>486570 we should be artsy-craftsy housewives together
>>486573 there's something enjoyable out of using a basil lavender soap or something really fragrant over a generic functional soap that experience is what people buy bath bombs and bath salts for and incense, candles, et cetera
a reasonably well known (in this area) neuropsychologist is applying for a teaching position at my uni and he had to give a presentation and stuff, but i didn't go to it i saw him in the hallway though and he's like five feet tall that's like 152cm for you euros
and he had this suit that like, was clearly fitted properly for most of his body, but the jacket was way too long for him it went down to like his thighs but it wasn't even a coat or something you'd expect to be long it was just a suit jacket
the admins at my psychiatrist's office wear scrubs, but my psychiatrist wears business casual
the admins at the clinic i work at wear business casual but more casual than people like me that work there
i guess psychologists probably wear a labcoat or something if they're working at a state hospital, maybe
Kirara 🚗
>>486615 my heart is made of meat just like everyone else's
FormerRei@mobile
http://www.devpsy.org/humor/scientist_types.htm l Fuck http://www.devpsy.org/humor/scientist_types.html
Kirara 🚗
my ear, nose, and throat doctor always wears a suit and tie it's really weird he'll be sitting there vacuuming out my ears wearing a suit and tie with that round mirror thing strapped to his head
Kirara 🚗
or cauterizing my nose
FormerRei@mobile
My orthopedist wears Armani suits. Well, I've ostensibly recovered from thst shoulder injury so i haven't seen him in a while.
like that girl who grew up with a deaf and blind mom so all she knew how to do to communicate was slide chairs around on the ground and not talk and stuff i dunno what that falls under
Kirara 🚗
something like that probably wouldn't get diagnosed as an intellectual deficit i don't think
i guess a more thorough way to state the question would be how does/whether communication skill obstruct measurement of intellectual faculties
i'm not really looking for an answer to that i just wanted to pose the question
Anno
that context also lends some fault to the perception of the measurer too though how well-communicated the messages are transmitted given a naive communicator, and how well they're received by the probing observer and some psychs are kind of trigger-happy observers
Kirara 🚗
i think theoretically they should be taking that into account, the degree to which it obstructs measurement, but it can be hard to tell sometimes, i guess like if you're looking for similarities between two words they might know it conceptually but be unable to communicate it and it would look like they just don't know hmm
Anno
i saw some interview with a p.schizo where he is a pianist but feels a lot of persecution because he "doesn't sit the way other pianists sit" and the psych kept probing on that question about what he meant, and how does he sit compared to other people, asking for really concrete stuff and to me, i could tell he was talking about his mannerisms and sitting proudly with confidence, and that it was exemplary and illustrative of behaviorism that was a little eccentric to others, and that it wasn't the ultimatum of his posture that caused the distress
the same way i might say something like i feel like people don't like me because i'm poor it's not that being poor directly causes that distaste in people, but a more roundabout mechanism where it indirectly causes disengagement because of the humors, behaviors, social patterns that develop in a person who's coping with an entirely different set of circumstances than those who've had more stable lives and seem more socially refined the context is so different from the transmission and interpretation in both of those situations
i've actually been thinking about stuff like rhat // that a lot since i started providing therapy how the level of // the differing levels of abstraction and the way things are communicated complicate the conversation between therapist and patient someone with a high level of abstractness that tends to think abstractly will have to have substantially better communication skills for a therapist that is more concrete to be able to understand them whereas a client and therapist with similar levels of abstraction will be able to communicate through stuff like "sit the way other pianists sit" it can put a lot of additional stress on the client, potentially, i think, because then they not only have to worry about saying what they want to say, but also about how to say it so they will be understood it seems like that's entirely on the client
i prolly already told you about my last visit to my psych and my concerns about re-starting the SNRI she asked me if i'd like to go back onto the SSRI from a long time ago, and i said i felt uncomfortable with it because i wasn't sure how it worked
she then proceeded to explain to me the mechanism behind an SSRI (mind you i'm a medical physics major who's been medicated since mid high school and SSRIs are baby-tier pharmacology) i had to interrupt her because the session only had 10 minutes left and i knew very well how SSRIs worked, but that i meant i didn't have a gauge for how well it performed in me given the duress at the time
Anno
and that was something i hadn't considered as the interpretation until she started responding i thought it was kind of funny though it gave me a sense of the kind of people she deals with regularly that she was primed for that interpretation and it's weird to me that people don't research or understand their own treatment regimens
Kirara 🚗
that's always seemed pretty weird to me too
one time my allergy doctor was explaining to me that epi-pens won't work for me because of my beta blockers, and he was clearly very excited that he was able to talk about it at a pharmacological level with me people just kind of take medication without having any idea what it does or how it works or they reject medication completely because they don't know how it works or what it does
>>486645 i hate having to move appointments and stuff
sometimes my clinic randomly closes for the afternoon and i won't know until the day before it happens and i have to call my patients and be like, yeah, uhh, so, we have to cancel, yeah, i know you already got the automated confirmation call
prolly gonna take tomorrow off work and continue cross ange by take tomorrow off work i actually mean just not receive any work but it sounds better that way
there's already some pretty cool stuff going on with VR workspaces in construction pre-planning of construction sites and stuff in immersive VR there's already biomech advances to assist in heavy lifting and stuff it's pretty easy to see how full mech robotics with human-guided VR + haptic feedback could be a fully safe replacement and cut down on human injury and workers comp issues and that's a pretty niche example at that
the major cost of it currently is R&D, but that's basically a giant investment wallet to begin with
Kirara 🚗
the biggest problem with new tech isn't the cost of the tech it's the cost of training people to use it the tech itself isn't nearly as expensive as that
Anno
in that regard, the major unmet need is a suitable user interface something that a VR workspace is perfectly suited for, rather than in-person instrumentation and controls control interface is not something that needs to be a thing when VR with haptic feedback is introduced to automate organic human response into controls
Anno
the R&D cost of developing, testing, and distributing that is pretty large, but the value of filling that market need is so large that it doesn't even matter in comparison, comcast recently spent over four billion dollars just researching how to better their customer support interface for their adaptation to new consumer technologies and the buyout of nbc universal to integrate various consumer media together it's a massive undertaking, but in two and a half years the return from that is going to be so crazy and they'll have such strong market control
yeah i don't think hallucination is the right word
Anno
smell works weird it involves binding just portions of molecular shapes, so a lot of things carry the same signature shape on some region that can be mapped to the sensors it's also the closest scent next to vameronasal sense, which humans don't have, to the brain so it's very quickly received and recognized hyperstimulation can cause a lot of overstimulation of olfactory sense that causes the brain to jump the gun a little bit -- misnomer, really say a molecule you're breathing in has mostly the shape that's recognized based on its edges as one thing, but has one less common edge that's perceived as something else, like glucose or oxidized carbon molecules, which are so much less common that when one does get received on that edge, it signals a pretty large difference, which the brain is primed to receive more clearly due to CNS stimulation so you might be smelling a basic molecule that you smell all the time, but when it aligns with an awkward side of the molecule, it triggers a scent that you recognize as charcoal or something sweet or burnt rubber or whatever
okay nobody's even reading this we're like ten posts past now
Anno
if you're smelling burning you're probably just having aI stroke nbd
I think the word hallucination is the right word. If you can have auditory hallucinations, you can have olfactory hallucinations.
Kirara 🚗
you can have olfactory hallucinations however describing what we're experiencing as hallucination is misleading
Anno
if you're smelling things thatI aren't there at all is a hallucination if you're smelling something that's there and your brain is saying it's something else it'sI notI quite the same
>>486686 I also readI itI and basically said the same thing in a simple way
Anno
>>486695 smell isolation is a large part of why i think sedentary modern living causes psychological distress it's our strongest sense and simultaneously our most deprived sense
>>486703 How is dril able to be so spot on all the time
Anno
>>486702 proto-humans and early nomadic humans could smell hormone imbalances, prey musk from a kilometer away, and all sorts of stuff, and had hearing and eyesight way better than any sedentary people do today, and were in really good mind/body balance i'm p sure that organic stimulation from being in our natural environment is way more powerful of a stimulant than even amphetamines could offer completely unmedicated and unobstructed
>>486705 I wouldn't even need amphetamines if I were back in nature because the only thing I need it for are the artificial demands that society puts on me. The organic stimulation would definitely be better.
If I didn't have Fish, I would probably have dropped out and gone to live with nature already.
Well, I've had primitivist tendencies for a long time, but no. I don't believe that technology inherently creates hierarchical social structures and getting rid of technology wouldn't change anything about that. My problem with technology is how it shapes us and molds us, but we can never be complete in our technology-laden world because we aren't geared towards the environments we've manufactured for ourselves.
I don't care if other people go and live with technology, but living like this is stressful for me.
Anno
a human immersed in technology is like an alcoholic immersed in a barrel of wine
>>486711 to be incomplete is like to use P-approximations for NP-complete problems and say it's good enough that's what technological society does to humans
FormerRei@mobile
>>486715 We don't know for a fact that P doesn't equal NP.
Anno
we know for a fact that P-approximations are not NP-complete solutions
Kirara 🚗
>>486714 idk how you want me to define it more in depth the concept is something you just have to understand you won't work from the same orientation as i do so i don't think you'll understand my meaning no matter how much i try to break it down
FormerRei@mobile
It feels like you have some idea in mind for how humans ought to live. And something about that irks me.
Maria
Kirara are you trying to say that humans did not evolve with /// in a way tht is inline with out manufactured world and as such we would be happier in a traditional primitive society as a result
Kirara 🚗
>>486719 ought implies that there is some obligation never once have i implied obligation in fact i consistently say that i have no expectations that others should live like i think i would be happiest living
my point is that humans evolved in specific environments under specific conditions and are suited to those circumstances and that the modern world is so far removed from those circumstances that it inflicts a great deal of psychological stress on people passively and i believe that i would be living a more satisfying life if i were in an environment that more closely mirrors the one we evolved to be in
>>486720 not to speak for kirara but i don't think happiness is a part of it it's a matter of what we're built to do, not anything about what ought to be done
FormerRei@mobile
>>486721 But you do think that they can't be complete unless they live like how you think you would be happiest living.
Maria
>>486722 "higher wellbeing" or whatever you wanna call it
>>486723 basically human beings are evolved to exist in certain environments and in specific conditions when animals are removed from the conditions they're evolved into, it inflicts a great deal of stress on them, the same goes for us while people should feel free to live in modern day society if they want to - i don't care if they choose to live with that stress or choose not to, that's their responsibility not mine - i shouldn't be obligated to live in modern day society
Anno
i think some people can lead satisfying lives within the social system i don't think being confined to it mandatorily is good for the eusocial health
We just gotta accelerate evolution to adapt to our new world
Anno
>>486726 here's where you gotta quote rat utopia cite**
FormerRei@mobile
>>486726 You aren't obligated to. Obligations are a spook. If you really wanted to you could just go live with a tribe in the amazon, or the bushmen, or the inuit Or any other tribe that exists in the same way they have for vast amounts of time.
Anno
>>486730 no offense but this is an extremely naive statement
>go live with tribe >oh wait all the lands taken up by farmers and miners and our water supply has been polluted to shit
FormerRei@mobile
>>486731 That obligations are a spook? Or the "if you really wanted to"?
Anno
both parts, but initially i was referring to your premise that obligations are a spook you're born into social obligation the cost of shedding that obligation is extremely high
the last part i don't think you even genuinely believe so that's negligible
>>486735 Well I think someone could, it could happen. But really virtually no one does it. There's not really many other ways to just "drop out" of modern society.
Anno
you can't divorce yourself from the emotional and familial environs you're born into even if people don't have the social obligation to just separate from // to not just separate from their family and loved ones, they still have the internal obligations to manage their own emotional wellbeing you can't consider your own mind just a neutral frame of reference without orientation all of your developmental phase is centered around that social upbringing there are some people, like alexander mcandless, who has a family to whom they have no social obligation and the personal obligation to divorce themselves from it but that comes with the afforded opportunity to do so it's no // not a natural-born right
FormerRei@mobile
Well then I guess not living in modern society isn't an option and never will be.
Kannagi
You do anything at a cost.
Anno
>>486739 black and white okay why even partake in the discussion if you're going to polarize everything
FormerRei@mobile
Okay so "kind of living in modern society" is an option now?
Kirara 🚗
even if you wanted to go live with a tribe, tribes are tribes because they're tribes they're not just going to say, yes, we would love to have you here. they're going to tell you to leave because you are an outsider and you are dangerous and you aren't part of their society which is only able to continue existing because of its noninclusive nature
Anno
>>486742 no? you're shifting the goalposts man you contested "kind of an option" as explicitly an option,, then not an option, and then to "kind of living in modern society" which wasn't even a factor??
Kannagi
I don't think it is even fair to join a tribe as an outsider because in some ways you are leverage privilege. A lot tribes get abused by foreigners coming in, especially people who are pedophiles and take advantage of the children.
What would be ideal would be a function society where it took account of the stress placed on people. People work jobs like machines and they aren't machines, they do need to be able to think. I think it would be nice ideally if the world was so fucked up.
Kirara 🚗
i want to be allowed to live freely as i wish and as i have explained previously there are reasons i cannot do that
I just want to dismantle the artificial and unnecessary layers of society
FormerRei@mobile
>>486751 I don't know if you'll ever be able to do that
Kannagi
People can thrive with jobs and the whole structure of doing work in return reward but I think the quality of jobs has changed a lot. A lot of jobs don't require a human they require a human shaped cog that can and probably will be replaced with AI. and then humans will be given even worse quality jobs.
>>486760 are they sauced there's a cleaner way to eat them by removing the bones (it's really simple actually) but the enjoyment is to bite into it like it's a fresh kill and enjoy the bloodstains all over your face from the fresh feast it's extremely primal
Anno
>>486763 What the hell. You don't slurp chicken wings.
TN !PcAPtAiNJo
>>486761 though what i have seen of your wings they always seem to have so much sauce and shit on top of them
Kannagi
>>486764 Slathered in BBQ sauce or what not. I tried using a knife and fork but its kinda tricky.
>>486768 Wings here are more marinated than slathered in sauce so the skin got the taste and well meat too but it is just slightly greasy not a fountain of mess
Anno
>>486769 rook's not here so i'm gonna lol at you for him
Anno
>>486767 The fact that chicken wings kind of require eating without cutlery is one of the reasons I'm not a big fan. I don't like eating messy, so chicken wings are always bit too much of a nuisance for me.
Chicken legs are nice but the wings are odd. I have to rip to bits to eat them. I feel like a barbarian, and I get the sauce all over my face and hair.
TN !PcAPtAiNJo
is why you eat them whole
Kannagi
I am not fond of bone
Anno
>>486702 you can't stop me motherfucker I'm not going to litter in a national park though what kindI of asshole do you take me for
>>486780 These are tiny. They ones I have are huge.
Anno
>>486781 I might be an asshole but I'm a respectful asshole
Anno
>>486782 okay, you have the connected ones then these are the ones that are usually messy just shred it up with a fork and eat it, or tear the tiny part off and do like this, then eat the big part i'm really confused what you're having trouble with tbh
>>486784 Well I got called for dinner. I'll have to try my best!
TN !PcAPtAiNJo
>>486780 >doesn't mention breaking the bones and sucking the marrow
Anno
>>486787 not much marrow to suck out of those it mostly gets cooked away >>486789 ehh not in chicken from my experience bone-in ham steaks for sure
TN !PcAPtAiNJo
but there is
TN !PcAPtAiNJo
also I think there is a bird orgy going outside
TN !PcAPtAiNJo
>>486788 is not much is hard to get out but is there
Anno
when you cook those wings, the marrow gets all dry and shit maybe if you slow smoke them it's better or something i don't bother with marrow unless it's big bones although tbh the head of a chicken/goose/turkey is the best meat
I have but they were cook differently and the skin was taken off. It was easier to get to the meat. >>486803 I hate chicken skin. I has a horrible texture to me.
TN !PcAPtAiNJo
skin was taken off? but that is where all th flavour is
TN !PcAPtAiNJo
>>486802 yeah if it isn't cooked proper it becomes disgusting soggy rag
Kannagi
I also don't know if I like the really sweet sauce. I'm not that fond of super sweet flavours and americans love it.
Maria
The skin is the best bit of eating chicken
TN !PcAPtAiNJo
>>486805 sweet man that is just butchering it it needs to be spicy
In the UK we don't really use sauces over the skin, it just get seasons and spiced. the skin is crispy and you can remove it easily. the chicken is nice but it was really messy and sweet - I didn't enjoy it very much.
same here it is spiced, seasond and left in marinade to suck in the flavours and then you grill it or oven cook it and the skin is crispy to eat or can be removed if you dislike it greasy, but not sogging with juices and sauces
FormerRei@mobile
I haven't been able to eat wings for like half a year. Last time I had some I got really sick and the smell of them makes me nauseous.
the part stuck in my head is "if you cull and let me pass, you may render me a wreck when i come back, so calm your waves and slow the churn, and you may have my precious bones on my return"
>>486820 >spilt coke near her phone AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Kirara 🚗
that's a tablet
Maria
>>486824 A tablet's just a big phone that doesn't take calls
Kannagi
That was pretty interesting song. It reminds me of a song I got stuck in my head a while ago >>>/watch?v=9yAxIdkF2Qo I heard it randomly when I went to /mu/ out of boredom because they are shitty hipster tastes
>>486706 i'm pretty sure i'd have no desire for alcohol in nature too i constantly feel the need to depress my senses because there's cognitive dissonance when i can't use them properly for daily function in modern industrial society
Anno
>>486843 you'll have to watch it to find out it's like 12 minutes long though i don't think you'll be disappointed
>>486847 somewhere without grizzly bears or cougars i'm fine with black bears and bobcats/lynxes grizzlies and cougars are something that a societized human is not able to defend against in isolation missouri has rough weathers maybe kentucky or somewhere in the mid-south, given their large amounts of freshwater bodies and good weather, good game, and good soil >>486846 right now!! it's 8:59 in 12 minutes it'll be 9:11 oh fug
Kannagi
I don't know why I like this so much but it makes a chill go up my the back of my neck. >>>/watch?v=fJ8JRfsurt4 I am not a m sure of the song on it own. The visual syncronization of the beat is pretty powerful to me
Anno
Oh my god I just saw a man put mustard in his soda
Anno
come here kannagi https://synchtu.be/r/doushio and anyone else im gonna queue up a fox in space
im feeling a little nervous about coming back home after the 9th fish is gonna be in africa and i haven't been alone in a long time now it feels like a large degree of my stability is thanks to having fish around to keep me grounded maybe im becoming dependant
one of my clients has parents that aren't married because the father says that marriage is a bad omen and causes divorce or something i think i understand his meaning but referring to it as an omen is funny to me
>>486889 I used to be alone for a very long time, since basically my whole family moved out and left me in the house by myself. I got used to it and then when I made a friend I got used to talking to them all the time and then shit happened. and I was back to being NEET and alone, it was super weird to deal with lonliness at first, especially since I felt like "I know what lonliness is like" Now I'm pretty used to be alone for extended period of time.
Talesof !NuKeSlvmWE
>>486890 that cat seems really nonplussed about the whole thing
>One-third of American households can’t afford food, shelter or medical care
richest country in the history of the planet
Kannagi
>You don't need therapy just buy a car. Advertising here is so blunt. Adverts in the UK are fairly regulated and a lot of older people complain about anything slightly offensive in them. The depressive tones and fuck you sort attitude of these adverts probably would get a lot of compliants.
Do they even get people to buy things with that depressive shit?
Anno
>>486907 i just moved into a sewage-drenched house to cut down on the cost of living from what was literally a trailer home and now i can't afford health insurance and i have a p fucking good job compared to most
>>486911 the concept of finding a suitable partner is literally a dream when there's not even a way to make your accomodations livable
Kannagi
Some of these really idealise the tired as shit wanting to die because you work too hard and can't relax life. Is it now supposed to be cool that are pushing yourself to even make ends meet.
Kirara 🚗
millennials joke about their lack of hope and depression regularly and the businesses and their think tanks and focus groups don't know how to parse it so they think the jokes are made because they're funnier than they are relatable so they end up with shit like this
Anno
>>486914 i dunno if i agree with this statement i'm not being contrarian i just literally didn't understand the statement so i dunno
Kannagi
For me, what Kirara said kinda makes sense since it just doesn't seem like these adverts understand the deprecative humour , It is just like is the in thing. It feels so foreign and weird. Why would anyone thing it is alright to say "you don't need therapy, you need to buy X"
>>486914 Thinking about those frontier was it lame animal ads I wouldn't really put it beyond them to think those ads are good ideas well sicne they are posted there, they think they are good
>>486916 Lots of people would make that joke. The problem here is who makes the joke.
TN !PcAPtAiNJo
>>486918 so if you move to mexico you become a poc
Kannagi
Yeah I mean that is a type of humour but it is just wrong having it plastered on the side of a bus by a big company. Its no longer really the same thing.
TN !PcAPtAiNJo
also who is this joy ann reid
Ko-Shi
Morning talk show person
Ko-Shi
The
Kirara 🚗
she made homophobic blog posts for a decade and a half and then when it got found out, she said russians did it and then she said they showed up on tge wayback machine because russians and wayback told everyone she was lying so eventually she pretended like she never lied about that stuff and said she's grown since then
Kannagi
Didn't she claim to hire a "cyber expert" to try and prove it wasn't her and they just said "I dunno".
I hole-hardedly agree, but allow me to play doubles advocate here for a moment. For all intensive purposes I think you are wrong. In an age where false morals are a diamond dozen, true virtues are a blessing in the skies. We often put our false morality on a petal stool like a bunch of pre-Madonnas, but you all seem to be taking something very valuable for granite. So I ask of you to mustard up all the strength you can because it is a doggy dog world out there. Although there is some merit to what you are saying it seems like you have a huge ship on your shoulder. In your argument you seem to throw everything in but the kids Nsync, and even though you are having a feel day with this I am here to bring you back into reality. I have a sick sense when it comes to these types of things. It is almost spooky, because I cannot turn a blonde eye to these glaring flaws in your rhetoric. I have zero taller ants when it comes to people spouting out hate in the name of moral righteousness. You just need to remember what comes around is all around, and when supply and command fails you will be the first to go. Make my words, when you get down to brass stacks it doesn't take rocket appliances to get two birds stoned at once. It's clear who makes the pants in this relationship, and sometimes you just have to swallow your prize and accept the facts. You might have to come to this conclusion through denial and error but I swear on my mother's mating name that when you put the petal to the medal you will pass with flying carpets like it’s a peach of cake.
There's brisket cooking in the kitchen overnight. I'm really looking forward to that tomorrow for dinner.
FormerRei@mobile
Neat
FormerRei@mobile
Going bed Naito
Anno
>>487137 Sounds nice. All I had to eat today was some pizza and then potatoes and rice. I'm too damn lazy to cook food most of the time. Using the slow cooker is nice and easy though.
Anno
>spend 20 minutes trying to figure out this puzzle >can't figure it out >go through all iterations of the combination of the solution >when the chest is finally unlocked notice the answer is LITERALLY WRITTEN ON THE WALL BEHIND IT
>>487197 haha nice i can't wait to get NINE DAZE OFF
Kirara 🚗
apparently there aren't any dlc plans for gow the devs said they didn't hold back any content wtf is this, 2007?
Anno
>>487200 whoa dude are you sayin hold up you tellin me wait wait no way so you are implying that they FINISHED the fuckin game before they charged me $60 for it?
Anno
>>487200 holy shit who made this game again I need to give them more money for not being shit >>487197 oh you can do that ez mondai nothing
it's so cold here the heating only seems to work in the loft, which is coincidentally where my roommate stays and he gets hot so he turns the heat off idk why is this so difficult
Marsh-chan
have you considered just manning up
Kirara 🚗
start a fire and tell him that if he wants to turn the heat off, those are the consequences
Anno
>>487256 eat ass dude im sleeping in freezing weather with no heat and no mattress
Kirara 🚗
your roommate doesn't care that you're in freezing temps?
I finally found my opening strike in the Infernal Lyn map and now it's just... annoying. They keep spawning in corners and I can't get to them before another one spawns.
>>487294 I was more thinking of "are addons working oni t proper"
sk
Mine are
Anno
google can't collect anything important from me and i don't use any addons so there's no good reason why i shouldn't use chrome
FormerRei@mobile
Ohio
Kannagi
New firefox sucks. i have the update crippled on my main computer but this laptop auto updated my firefox and it is annoying because it pretty much disabled all addons and things work in annoying ways.
the professor that i agreed to proctor the exam for neglected to mention that one of the students gets double time for accommodation purposes i expected to be here from 1-3 but it may be from 1-5
I would have agreed regardless but i // it would have been nice to know so I could have planned for it
Kannagi
Wait double time is that much. The most people get here for extra time is 15%
FormerRei@mobile
That's terrifying.
Anno
double time tends to be about 100% more time here yeah
>>487316 Because its a real pain to deal with proctors who aren't teachers but like dinner staff who get hard assed and want you to close your papers immediantly.
FormerRei@mobile
>>487315 At one of the community colleges I went to. In order to use extended time you had to get a signed letter from your professor and take to it to an office a week before hand and then they made an appointment for you to take a test in a room alone with a security guard with no bathroom or water breaks and if your cellphone went off you automatically failed the exam. Well You could go for a bathroom or water break but they wouldn't let you resume the test.
Kannagi
>>487312 Hm, they are to me just very similar themes, I don't feel any strong continunity between them.
Kannagi
Well Naqudan and kaibutsu ojou are obviously related. not seeing too much relation with Kako though?
FormerRei@mobile
>>487320 They're explicitly in continuity. This has some common themes I don't want to spoil anything so I'll leave it at that.
Kannagi
I'll have to re-read naquadan and kaibutsu ojou since I can't really remember. I finished up to the latest chapter mangadex has for kako.
>>487318 Sounds strict This student getting extra time can go to the bathroom or whatever whenever
FormerRei@mobile
>>487323 I was able to get around that though. Yeah it's draconian and abnormal.
FormerRei@mobile
Honestly if not for the fact I had a kickass teacher I would not remember that place fondly. The other community college I went to (in highschool) was run the mob and was a much better place. *run by the mob Well I'm pretty sure it still is run by the mob.
Say you do a lawsuit like that and prove that your opposition colluded with media and whatnots to turn whatever elections against you so what? How is that illegal? it is dishonest, dirty, but there really isn't a law against that
Kirara 🚗
>Roy Moore Is Suing Women Who Accused Him of Sexual Misconduct, Alleging a 'Political Conspiracy' looks like he's claiming people talked about his pedophilia in order to stop him from getting elected
FormerRei@mobile
Nice
Kannagi
That reminds me I used to keep up with Abnormal Kei joshi
Kirara 🚗
his pedophilia is basically demonstrable considering he started dating his current wife when she was like 14 and he was in his 20s
FormerRei@mobile
>>487332 But didn't he have her parents' permission? Doesn't that make it okay?
Kannagi
I don't tink parent's permission makese *makes this any better.
FormerRei@mobile
It was a joke That was Moore's argument
Kannagi
I have no idea since you play devils advocate with weird shit sometimes.
Kirara 🚗
I think he actually like started stalking her when she was 14 or 15 or something if I remember right and then they started dating at like 16
but yeah like even if political conspiracy is "proven", nothing will happen
TN !PcAPtAiNJo
Yeah if what they talk about you for example >wow the guy dated 14 yo and it is true, well what can you do? >>487339 I should prolly start a new game at this point
Anno
TN there's some new content for Stardew Valley out. It's a beta because it comes out with the multiplayer functionality. But I believe for singleplayer content the bugginess shouldn't apply. It's an opt-in beta you can get to through Steam, the dev's blog has information on how to get it.
Kirara 🚗
moore's defense is really bad though he's not alleging that he didn't sexually abuse those kids he's alleging that he couldn't have because he has never met them
TN !PcAPtAiNJo
also multiplayer? wouldn't that just be basically one guy working on the other guy's farm
>>487341 A host can build up to three cabins on their farm, and can invite one person for each cabin built. I think the cabin characters can be characters people have already made, but I think they have a unique inventory and skillset from single player runs. Though I don't really know much about it because it didn't really interest me.
TN !PcAPtAiNJo
or just shrug it off saying "I was young and dumb back then" if ith as been ages
isn't it fun how the information age can so easily dig up shady stuff of people so easily makes running for office for the people who apparently like to bei n power so hard maybe eventually it will root out the shittier types, because they always fuck their public image up on their own
Kannagi
Isn't it scary to think that without the ease of access of information people like that guy who kidnapped those kids could get elected. >It wasn't TECHNICALLY KIDNAPPING
TN !PcAPtAiNJo
>>487350 well we survived some 8000 years of society with that handicap
I mean it is a moot dream, but it is still a dream that maybe one day people like Hillary Clinton and Trump are just so well known to be bad hombres, that for them to run at any public office, should be impossible >>487355 Well the issue is that those people are still rooted in power and the "no care" attitude is deeply rooted in most societies especially usa with its super low voting rates
Kirara 🚗
everyone knew they were both bad and didn't care
Kannagi
I don't think anyone has the illusion that trump or hilary are angels. I
Kirara 🚗
it's learned helplessness honestly we know we can't influence anything with votes
Kannagi
I think we spent so long knowing that people in power often get there in illegitmate ways or having family connects or just the money to do what they want. and the way society is formed reflects that with the whole money is power ideology that is rooted in society.
>>487357 At this stage it is damn hard, but not impossible people would just need to toss that "I can't vote third option or this guy, cause then the other guy will win" the weird us vs them mentality of rallying behind political parties, especially when you aren't a party member is just so silly
Alice
>>487357 But you can't influence much with votes. You need to change more than just the law.
Even if you vote someone different into power who is completely anti-establishment. they will get cock blocked at every turn and slow have to concede for the greater good
>>487368 I just mean that even if you are doing things that are going to break the circle in place. you don't have all the power to do those things. You'll be forced to stay withing the confines by your // by others who have vested interests
Kirara 🚗
>>487371 i didn't used to be the government showed me how wrong i was though
Alice
As long as you can't change the constitution you can't do much "democratically"
>>487374 Well biggest issue with most western nations is indeed the mentality and the abusement of it by those in power the lower the vote rates, the lower the chance of reforming legitimately
>>487376 Again, this. You could get such a majority in congress that you can actually affect the big laws and change at least something. But it's a long process and people are such cowards they wont go all the way.
But places like usa with "register to vote" the whole system is built to discourage voters, except those who are supporting the existing parties and people.
Kannagi
>>487379 >>487379 my bad for the double quote. Even if you have a majority you still have to obey party lines in a way, that whole reason you have party whips to get people to side with you.
Anno
>>487377 Kids get iPhones, only REAL ADULTS get Android phones.
Kirara 🚗
>>487376 if everyone in the us votes for the next president, the next president will be someone the establishment chose, not the people
>>487381 That's a given. I know you can't really "fix" parties because the structures are so rooted in power, is a much probable thing to just make it from the ground. But.. those structures still exist and they will affect any party because that's how this works.
>>487385 I don't think has to affect any party. a lot of these parties are made up of dated ideologies and stick so close to the idea of "if it works don't fix it". they are steeped in history that I think they have hard time disengaging themselves from it.
Is still amusing the free-ish society of the past brought most of the elites into power and now those elites fearing to lose it all want to lock the doors for anyone else not realising, what they are doing is just setting them up as the next aristocracy eventually being placed on a guillotine.
Alice
We had such a party that used to rule the country for 20 years or so, and now they got only like 5% times are a' changing.
FormerRei@mobile
Map of felony disenfranchisement laws by state for perspective. https://www.aclu.org/issues/voting-rights/voter-restoration/felony-disenfranchisement-laws-map
I don't see trump is all the different idelogically from those elected with strong personal beliefs. There are lot presidents that have done some pretty shitty stuff and have no being partcularly intelligent.
>>487399 name a million population country with big cities that didn't have hierarchy
Alice
>>487398 I think half of trump's "unpopularity" are just neolibs who hate tariffs. the pwoer of wall street and the like is really big in america, right?
Kirara 🚗
>>487400 why? it sounds like you want to tell me that only certain organized societies are actually organized you're phrasing the question in a way that is meant to undermine my point
>>487402 Cause you can idneed have small socities that work without organisations like that, but once you get to our population numbers those just don't function
FormerRei@mobile
>>487403 What do you mean by criminal? Person in prison? Cause there are states where you can vote after you're out of prison.
>>487404 That is implying there is simple relationship between different parts. Its like saying something goes up the other goes down and they both affect each other without any other determiner.
There is a reason why big organised societies with capitalist structures "work" and that doesn't necessiarly mean they work well. in fact you the way people define how "well functioning" something works is super baised.
>>487404 well if you want a refutation of that, you can look at some of the largest shantytowns and slums in the world they are basically self-run by the inhabitants and the laws of the country generally don't apply because there is little or no police presence the people create their own horizontally orientation organization without coercive hierarchy
FormerRei@mobile
Fuck I gotta go
sk
>>487410 Well either way, only 2 states have no rules for whether you can vote based on your involvement in the justice system, be it suspected, jailed, imprisoned, released, prior felony, or whatever Is the point
Alice
>>487410 the point is they shouldn't be. disenfranchisment is rooted on the kind of values who are not democratic (or liberal if you want) they were mostly done to prevent anti-establishment people to vote. (or at least, people who were against the rulent rules)
TN !PcAPtAiNJo
>>487411 well yeah, if you want the whole world to live in shantytowns and slums
Kirara 🚗
>>487415 ??? so it's possible but only if people are being forced into poverty?
Once there are real houses, the human nature forces society to require authoritative rule or else we die I think
Kannagi
I think most of the world are under some false illusion of what a working society means. The whole definition is so baised to a strong hierarchy capitalist state.
>>487416 If you don't get that what i mean you can't have our high-tech end cities without high level organisation, that requires people to be under various hierarchy levels, for everything to function as a relatively well oiled machine so yes, you kinda end up in shantytowns and such, if you don't have the bureaucratic and administrative machinery of modern society which requires hiearchy
Alice
>>487417 once there's houses humanity was forced to choose who lived in the houses and who built the houses.
Kirara 🚗
>>487419 a system that is designed to require hierarchy will obviously require it but i don't see how modern technology necessitates hierarchy
>>487419 That implies that people want to live in a society that requires them to be cogs in machine where depending certain conditions they can stand above others in this machine. You are basing the idea that this is something well working and functioning but in fact it has so many pitfalls.
>>487418 It's a concept that molds itself to serve the present conditions, yeah Capitalism isn't 'functioning' by a lot of metrics, but they're kinda swept under the rug
>>487421 >>487423 WEll there have been a good many tries at alternate ways, and usually they don't work and if you just say "well the world don't let them" most of time that isn't the case
Kirara 🚗
can you give me some examples of failed attempts at modern society without hierarchy?
TN !PcAPtAiNJo
>>487426 look into the settler towns of south america
Alice
like i kind aget what TN is saying. most dystopian fiction that doesnt have an empire they usually have a corporation or other controlling structure. "working" opposes to "chaos" which usually has either different factions or at least some kind of conflict.
Kannagi
What are comparing is not feasibilty though? you are comparing popularity of something as a measure of how good it is. If all the world did something one way instead of doing it another that does not mean the other way is no good or unachievable. It just means that one way has become standard and status quo.
You are also forgetting that most of the world had this method of society imposed on them. The colonial imperial era changed so much of the world and the cold war fucked up a lot of places even more.
It wasn't some organic change that everyone tended towards this structure it was forcibly put in place by imperial powers over hundreds of years.
Kirara 🚗
>>487427 im not finding any specific information about it on Google, is there something I should search?
But anyhow unless you can give me a successful case of or atleast a theory on how to build a society that doesn't require the hiearchy our society currently depends on What point is there on *in the argument
I mean it doesn't really matter if we give you theory when you will immediately disregard it because it's not hierarchial
Kirara 🚗
>>487431 there are existing societies that are non-hierarichal that have modern tech like squatter cities these cities are generally more efficient than the actual governments too
Anno
What ever happened to keeping this nonsense off of /moe/.
>>487436 the Okupa movement in Barcelona for example they've built schools, libraries, fixed holes in walls, etc, for the community and the surrounding communities that aren't part of the squat the things the government failed to do for years and years were completed quickly by the squatters who had no coercive hierarchy to weigh them down
Anno
>>487447 i'm talking about the 3dpd porn or any porn this is a worksafe board
Anno
>>487445 Oh, no, the manga's got like 140 chapters. The last week aside, I wouldn't be surprised if some of these chapters are properly adapted from the manga. Because again, the series is prretty popular, I wouldn't be surprised if the author's editorial staff is pushing him to pad out the manga. Shounen Jump has a lot of experience drawing out their series longer than they should, and they probably know how bad power creep can suddenly kick in.
Are you sat with laptop in a big exam hall? Maybe when I was younger .. but i just remember my dinner ladies walking around constantly instead any young teachers
>>487448 I think there's a squat somewhere in Oslo that does some similar stuff, albeit on a much smaller scale cause there's not that many of them I don't remember their name though
The one in Denmark is so big regular people even know about it Like I've heard it mentioned by just... people who aren't overly political or anything Or at least one in Denmark, there might be more
Anno
I thought I didn't see Hinamatsuri 4 yet but I did now I am sad I got excited for nothing
What kind of a trouble would you get in if you did say to students taking exams something alonglines of "If you lot don't finish in 5 minutes I will eat one of you"
Kannagi
Probably a lot of trouble. and suspicion of being a cannibal.
Kirara 🚗
>>487482 my rate is so high too rate of new 5*s i mean i got two grimas and two henrys in probably 50 orbs
>>487550 this is why im saying he's manic he has shown himself to not be ignorant in the past
but now he's actively trying to undermine public health he probably doesn't realize that's what he's doing
Kirara 🚗
fuckin 30 minutes left until the test ends
Alice
>>487547 >>487552 Idk if that's mania. I haven't really experienced real manic episodes myself. But to me those would be like, associated to extreme carelessness and just feelings of disregard everything!? sorry. i mean like when people get suicidal or harmful thoughts and somehow are able to eliminate the concern about their own actions.
If Kanye feels like this obviously he would have disregarded therapists, but he has done a lot of more weirder things, idk again... finally, if he is really manic he would probably try and hurt himself and that's bad.
>>487570 well i still have three months until i get my Master's
Kannagi
4 hours exam. If I finished that I'd be dead. Hope that is only exam she had.
Kirara 🚗
it took everyone else like an hour and a half poor girl
Kirara 🚗
wait i get my Master's in like two months or one month and three weeks or something wow
Kannagi
Your going to be a Master. and rule of the world.
Kirara 🚗
no gods no master's
Alice
gotta catch them all
Kannagi
Meido school with meido graduating with master's
Kannagi
Disgaea 5 Complete is coming out on steam soon. Might be interesting
Anno
It's a pretty good Disgaea game. I got the complete version for Switch.
Kirara 🚗
i loved it
Kannagi
I should have brought a nice portable console with me. I still had Persona 3 ultimate on my PSP. I could have finished that while here. MY 3DS only has like one game on it
Kirara 🚗
so i got a letter in the mail from Florida Highway Patrol suggesting i apply for the position of state trooper idk why
heh, we take a hardline on the wanna be window smashers after one year's protests turned violent now if cops overseeing the thing see anything that even hints at violence they go pick up the person
>>487612 my goal is to stop them from doing the dumbest shit imaginable like trying to brainwash kids while encouraging them to do a lot of mutual aid like paying off student school lunch debt
i can appreciate that they want to work towards a leftist world but they need to realize that going after kids is stupid and ridiculous and will get us targeted by people we don't want to be targeted by
>>487606 >protest in the name of workers and the underclass >smash windows belonging to small businesses in lower income areas instead of trying to damage the big dogs
Kirara 🚗
>>487617 small business owners aren't typically workers they exploit workers just as badly as big businesses generally
>>487618 here all the storefronts outside the big main streets on street level are actually run by the guy manning the register run and owned which was the most amusing part
FormerRei@mobile
>>487618 ????????????????????? ????????????????????? Must not be small enough then Most of the small businesses I frequent aren't big enough to have workers other than the owners.
Generally speaking, anarchist aren't under some weird belief that a riot will be the spark for revolution Riots have an entirely different purpose from 'punishing the bourgeoisie', which is overall a meaningless pursuit
Nezi !Neziwi/5.M
>>487590 so come say hi! i'm headed over to another internet friendo's house tonight to hang out
Maria
>>487622 He doesn't even know you you've been here for like a month you dingus
>>487624 I don't think it's unusual. A lot of small businesses just aren't big enough for the owner to not work
Kirara 🚗
>>487620 that's pretty unusual and generally those aren't the businesses in those areas and regardless, businesses are bad regardless of who owns them
marxist-lenninist thought actually is only influenced by marx's works and does not actually incorporate many of marx's ideas
>>487640 well marx was clearly right about quite a bit his material analysis is easy to see as correct people can easily see that his predictions of capitalism and its development were also quite accurate
marx isn't really taken as gospel either
communists are generally leaning towards marxist-leninism which disregards marxist thought quite a bit, or they're leaning towards anarchism, and they only appreciate marx for his theory on capital and not much else
Yeah they should worship the founding fathers as gods with Washington as the head of the pantheon Hail the God President
Kannagi
Business is less barter of equal value and more like give a chunk of your life for something you can live without but your are forced to have.
Anno
>>487646 I dunno, I can't really think of the last time I was forced to buy something I can live without. I'm -If I don't want something, I don't buy it.
sk
>>487644 Even the soviets worked with the p bourg for a while
Kirara 🚗
the soviets also worked with fascists quite a bit and were instrumental in the rise of antisemitism in eastern europe they actively undermined supposedly communist goals in order to gain power over people and used jews as a scapegoat to gain power much in the way hitler did, although they went about it in a different way but that's partially because soviet russia was state capitalism and not communism
Well whatever your opinion on communism is, I think simple historically proven thing is, that if you enforce it on the state level, it never ends up well
Kirara 🚗
nothing at a state level ends up well no matter what you do, large portions of the populations will end up poor and underprivileged and abused unless the population of the state is incredibly small and extremely coherent in history
I think something like 10 million is at the cap and the nation needs to be wealthy in not just skilled and educated "workers" but also sufficiently in resources be they location or raw materials
TN !PcAPtAiNJo
and even that fails once the idea behind the union of the state fails
TN !PcAPtAiNJo
the kind of a mentality that you need to contribute to the pile
sk
Not like it's a national project to begin with 'enforcing' it is a meaningless thing to even conceive of
TN !PcAPtAiNJo
yeah you can't enforce it without resorting to authority and violence the people need to believe in it and notjust brainwash believe but willingly
Kirara 🚗
for a state to be successful, it has to start off with great resources so it can build enough military to take resources from others
Amusingly though, if the land is rich in resources, the country most likely ends up dictatorial or oligarchic and if the main resource is the workforce, it ends up eventially being "freeish" society not always, but most of time
>>487671 Megalo Box is really good stuff Like AotY material. Every episode leaves me hyped for more mechanical boxing Gundam Build Divers is cute and fun but not much more than that. If you're a gundam autist it's pretty great The Sword Art Online spinoff has been surprisingly good because it has no Kirito and it's like one long game of PUBG wbu
>>487672 gotta check that Megalo Box anime then, you're like the second person who likes it a lot
I really like Hinamatsuri, I think it's hilarious I think it's the show I look forward to the most otherwise I don't watch much. Caligula is not that great, not a big fan of the SAO thing. Mahou Shoujo Ore is also p funny, but not great
>>487676 >yakuza neat Megalo Box is just really fucking good
>>487675 it's because SAO is written by a hack and this new anime is written by someone who really really likes guns and has probably put a lot of thought into how tactics would come into play with this game
sk
Kirito would probably have struggled against a p90 tbh
btw isn't it amusing in how many "not superpower" animus and mangas people dodge bullets and sometimes even cut them with swords
Anno
I mean doding -dodging bullets is pretty common place in western comics and action flicks. If North America had a history of cool swords they'd probably be cutting the bullets in those too.
The most recent Deadpool 2 trailer kind of spiffs on that too.
TN !PcAPtAiNJo
>>487686 yaeh, but usually you have people atleast in flicks just aiming at the wrong place
Kirara 🚗
if i manage to live to like 105 and people inevitably ask me what the secret to long life is, i'm gonna be like, "you gotta suck at least five dicks a week"
>>487685 someone post the gif of a katana cutting the broadsword in half
>>487689 I watched five episodes of it, and when I got to the fifth one I said "wow this is getting really good!" and then I just never watched six and fell behind
sk
>>487690 FOLDED A THOUSAND TIMES CUT THROUGH ANYTHING BAKA GAIJIN GO HOME
And I would actually add the "action hero" movies kinda under "superhero" title too not in the sense that they are superhero, but the main character is superhuman bond movies, every arnold movie and so on
Isn't the excessive folding not some genius Japanese thing, but rather their iron refining during that era being horrendous, so they had to compensate?
>>487694 If memory serves it is not even unique to japan, but most places didn't practice it long, due to having access to better materials eventually, either by expanding or being connected to the trade networks
Kirara 🚗
That's it. I'm sick of all this "Masterwork Bastard Sword" bullshit that's going on in the d20 system right now. Katanas deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that. I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine katana in Japan for 2,400,000 Yen (that's about $20,000) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even cut slabs of solid steel with my katana.
Japanese smiths spend years working on a single katana and fold it up to a million times to produce the finest blades known to mankind.
Katanas are thrice as sharp as European swords and thrice as hard for that matter too. Anything a longsword can cut through, a katana can cut through better. I'm pretty sure a katana could easily bisect a knight wearing full plate with a simple vertical slash.
Ever wonder why medieval Europe never bothered conquering Japan? That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Samurai and their katanas of destruction. Even in World War II, American soldiers targeted the men with the katanas first because their killing power was feared and respected.
So what am I saying? Katanas are simply the best sword that the world has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in the d20 system. Here is the stat block I propose for Katanas:
(One-Handed Exotic Weapon) 1d12 Damage 19-20 x4 Crit +2 to hit and damage Counts as Masterwork
(Two-Handed Exotic Weapon) 2d10 Damage 17-20 x4 Crit +5 to hit and damage Counts as Masterwork
Now that seems a lot more representative of the cutting power of Katanas in real life, don't you think?
tl;dr = Katanas need to do more damage in d20, see my new stat block.
>>487699 >ever wondered why these guys with wars all the time at home didn't bother sailing across the sea to a place they didn't know about to conquer it? >that's right, they were scared of their mighty tactic of using a really sharp sword and nothing else in battle
Anno
i'm installing runescape idk why but i'm gonna do this prolly depression or something
Also the design was odd that instead of chipping, the blade would bend and then be somewhat easily be able to be bent back to shape so it didn't break apart that easily I maen bent blade would be unusable, but atleast it would be easier to fix than an actual broken blade
it comes from ifm emory serves, the front part, basically the edge being that hard "folded 1000 times" thing and the back of the blade being softer but the design forced people to rely on specific types of cuts, which is why katana fencing is different from say similiar type of slashing swords used by say cavalry in the other parts of the world
Kirara 🚗
>>487700 i think the europeans technically found out japan existed like right at the end of medieval times
>>487703 naw well "medieval times" reneissance tbf but it was during the just then beginning civil war of theirs
but simply said it was just too far and then when the country started to stabilise and trade was startign to flow, the shogun in power went like "hmm these christians don't seem to fit into my society, time to ban all gaijin"
Japan have contact through china from the early joumon period even a lot korean settlers moved into japan during the yayoi period. Rumours of Japan spread out from China quite early on. There is even an island in Japanese waters where roman coins were found.
When people say medieval there are bunch of things they can mean do they mean the feudal system, which started breaking apart by the end of 14th century already or when people used mainly swords and bows in warfare instead of gunpoweder and so on or the era of castles, which kinda ends both with the decline of the aristocracy and arrival of cannons
Black death kinda resuffled the europe to a new form, anyhow
Kannagi
To be honest period of history are location centric. If you are talking an era of history it depends on where you talking about.
Yeah you have like russia wich was practically "medieval" in terms of societal structure untill like 19th century and then you have some muslim countries like ottoman, which had quite "free" society
TN !PcAPtAiNJo
but at the sametime allowed slavery and were a major slave market
TN !PcAPtAiNJo
while europe had banned slave trade already untill it resurfaced with the colonies
TN !PcAPtAiNJo
>>487718 best examples to this are "bronze age" and "iron age" like fucking people were entering "classical era" when finland was like "oh we can melt bronze into tools?"
>>487722 Well the ages of bronze and iron are generally used to describe levels of technology in civilizations. Where as Classical Era refers to a period of time when Grecco-Roman culture was very dominant in Europe, and Egyptian was in North Africa.
>>487725 yeah but you can generally speak of bronze age and iron age and you encompass middle-east, india and china in about same periods of time but outside of that it is quite specific
But going back to society talk for a brief bit I still think currently we are kinda facing a similiar crisis as the bronze age collapse civilizations had we aren't adapting to the society and environment we have built around ourselves as fast as it is growing and changing. Hopefully it won't end up as "magnifically" as it did back then, though
>>487748 Well between guy who looks like he is out for violence and has his face not covered and a blackblocker, I think I would trust the former to not do something stupid that easily both are idiots anyhow
>>487749 you'd think so but it's the guys that aren't wearing masks that have been firing off their guns at these protests literally managing to get themselves arrested while being protected by police
>>487761 yeah, those types of things are frequented almost entirely by incels and people that think humans can be property not a safe place for me if i'm in cute girl modo
Kannagi
>>487763 It feels weird to me that incels go out to protest. I guess it makes sense
>>487764 Incels are incredibly angry and blame everyone around them for their unhappiness A lot of the big far right organizations like Proud Boys are full of eternal virgins that blame women and jews for their virginity
>>487767 I guess those far right organisations groom them
>>487768 >>487766 Make a booth with anime waifus and bring all the incels to peace with themselves as you find the right waifus for them. You just have to find the right waifu
It would be amusing to turn up in a Kigurumi. Strike fear into the hearts of the far right.
FormerRei@mobile
You really like those don't you.
Kannagi
They are super horrifying and at the same time hilarious. There are threads on /jp/ with people obsessed with buying them.
Maria
>>487774 the issue isn't that incels don't have relationships it's that they handle it in the worst possible way >>487775 >tfw my girlfriend is inside me >>487782 Losers are fine Man imagine being an incel publicly and having it tied to your real name
>>487780no I mean Like their existence makes me look good because I'm kind of a loser but I'm not an incel. They've basically ruined their chances at getting a qt3.14159 gf
Their problem isn't that they're virgins. If they fuck, they'll still be disgusting people that believe that're entitled to sex, and they would still be violent.
They have to grow up and realize that they're wrong about their entitlements. If they all got girlfriends, they'd all be abusive boyfriends.
Kannagi
I don't think they broken because they are virgins I think they have fucked value system Like adult children.
>>487790 If they all become each other's boyfriends they'd discover their own abuse or it could just be a horrifying set /
Maria
I bet if you turned incels into girls they'd just be self entitled douches but with vaginas >>487797 >why won't chad date me instead of stacy ugh stacy is ruining my life!
>>487798 When I first saw the video of Elliot Rodgers he felt like a comic book villian. Everything he said felt so unreal. even that evil laugh he made when he was talking about his day of retribution. >>487801 You haven't seen it? he is like a super chuunibyou. calling himself the perfect gentlement and then laughing evilly to himself.
If he is in the after life I bet he is cringing hard at having made that video.
That wouldn't be well done it would be BURNT >>487817 btw how do people handle lunch there are there some lunch vouchers that restaurants/set places accept that you can get cheaper/tax free from the employer is there a food place at your work or nearby that gives employees discount
>>487818 No? You pay for your lunc. Ot at least I do.
>>487819 I'm not the kind of person that gets petty revenge like that.
TN !PcAPtAiNJo
Here the most common system would be "lunch vouchers" say you pay 8€ for it and get a 9,50€ thing, but not directly it is deducted from your pay directly and counted as tax free income Amusingly, some people sometimes avoid getting taxed more, by buying a huge stock of those lunch vouchers as you can use them outside fo work place and practically any restaurant accepts them so you can for example go out for dinner with your family and use your spare vouchers to pay for it
>>487832 Indeed but it does subside the average salary man quite well
TN !PcAPtAiNJo
hmm there is some limit to how many you can get each year, though, so that people don't abuse it especially for dropping your taxable income to a lower level, so your total income tax bracket doesn't rise my stepdad has actually done that few times, but I think that was prior them fixing that loophole
relieved bang
OR you could be bang
Maria
>>487827 Someone pays for it but there's no reason why it's you specifically
>>487836 Making other people pay for your stuff is evil. Why not just pay your own way? It's a more simple and less evil system.
Anno
There's nothing evil about it, aside from your asinine idea of "I don't like it so it's evil".
Maria
>>487838 So you'd be opposed to a homeless person taking a few bucks from a millionaire to buy lunch? Is that really "evil" Regardless the statement was not that it was evil but rather that it was a "law of economics" *rule Clearly it's not a rule
Alice
>>487838 agree, surprisingly. That also includes preparing your own food instead of allowing someone to make food for you.
>>487845 We've got to walk through my hypothetical step by step if I'm going to set up my trap. The only difference between TN with a gun and taxman with a gun is that the taxman is a federal agent.
Alice
>>487845 >extremely stupid wow way to fall into the thing you're criticising. it's basically just a way to say it.
Maria
>>487846 That's not what no taxation without representation means Rika you're dumb
>>487851 Well, that's essentially what I'm saying. My politicans no longer represent me and never asked if I wanted to pay for other people's lunches. I'd rather just pay for mine!
>>487855 our systems, constitutions and the foundations upon them and especially the founding part are quite miles apart
FormerRei@mobile
>>487857 At least you don't have to worry about state taxes.
Maria
>>487855 did you not vote okay cool I'm just gonna murder you since you don't support taxes which is what the justice and police system that's designed to stop me from murdering you are built upon
>>487864 I should preface that by saying "ostensibly"
>>487858 Here's an interesting question for you specifically. If the government taxes me to the point where I have less money to use for charity, doesn't that decrease the amount of charity in the world and make taxes evil on that front, too?
We kind of have to ignore the bit for giving unto Caesar what is Caesar's for this one.
Alice
>>487855 I approve you posting Princess while saying that, lol.
>>487861 No cause what makes you think you can trust charity organisations to use the money properly, compared to trusting the state to use it properly to ensure the well being and safety of its citizens
Kirara 🚗
>>487860 neither the justice system nor the police are designed to stop you from murdering anyone
the system is designed to scare people away from crime, but murder is generally an emotional crime - something the justice system cannot stop
FormerRei@mobile
>>487860 There is no police obligation to protect. It's gone pretty far up in the court system. The y only exist to arrest.
>>487860 Oh no, I'm fine with taxes that go to police and other such institutions. Those are the kinds of taxes that we need. I just don't want to pay for people's lunches.
Are humans kosher, are there rules on that specifically?
Kannagi
With how much polish stuff was in them I didn't really look into lidl I thought it was just a cheap european foods supermarket, It only in like the last 6 or well maybe 8 or so years has got popular.
>>487892 humans are not kosher some rabbis have suggested that cloned human meat might be kosher but the rabbis won't actually have that argument until it's time to eat cloned human probably
>>487893 we have german stuff, but that depends they have huge suppliers in poland too polish lidls are weird as they have just 95% vodka on the shelves too
>>487902 Lidl products are always a gamble either they are damn good for their price or really bad here they have branded "grillmeister" brand that is bit expensive, but it is quality finnish supplier stuff like meat and grillstuff they kinda tried to reprand themselves from the "cheap store" to a "quality store", but then people wnt all "hey we still want your cheap stuff" so they kinda did it 50%
>>487908 Do I think so? No. But the Orthodox are all about cheating holy laws. That's their entire thing. They figure out insane rules and then they figure out loopholes in them.
And to me it is just weird to go like >orthodoxes finda ll the loop holes when I associate that with Orthodox Christiansi n my mind and i am like "dafug" Honestly, if rule of law allowed them to kill or torture people, they'd be still doing it to people breaking their rules
sk
>>487925 I saw it on some documentary a long time ago It might have been something else than an elevator, but memory isn't perfect
I saw a >>487934 wow. I was just about to say that I saw a film where some guy went Oy Vey, I reminded me of that weird game with "Oy Vey, I think the goyim as insincere"
>>487956 Well, my girlfriend is going to be away, so I'm going to be doing my own thing, for at least part of the time she's away. And Utah will be obliging me.
Kannagi
>>487960 Maa maa, how forceful. I hope Utah is ready.
