>>275841 It's generally a bad idea to go outside alone while you're tripping. Get someone to come with you that isn't stoned and you'll probably be fine. Or just go out in your backyard and lay down in the grass and feel like you're part of the earth.
>>275853 hahahah I don't even do pot before or during work
Anno
ive done a few things in places i shouldn't at times i shouldn't
sk
I had a serious headache towards the end too, which kinda put a downer on the whole thing It wasn't that painful, cause I was fucked up, but it was still annoying and in the way
All good now though Should have remembered to hydrate more than I did
Yuu
>>275852 You could have fooled me. You do a very good job tricking people into thinking you're one.
bangu
>>275858 and you have an example? I might be awful 10% of the time but I'd have to be awful more than 50% of the time to be properly described as such. And I don't think I do anything to qualify as a slut
Anno
>>275857 You gotta stay hydrated and fed! If you thought coming down this time was awful, you're going to love MDMA.
sk
oh yeah MDMA really knocks you out on the way down, doesn't it?
moon
the problem with having other tg friends is they dip you and the whole social circle as soon as they found their spot and are happy
>>275870 i'd say you're messing with me but because of the discussion we had earlier with blue, i can understand that interpretation MTF and FTM transgender
bangu
the problem is that rika is prone to both messing with people and also not getting things
Anno
>>275861 i don't know if i can quite give it the spot as "worst experience I've ever had" but it's up there.
moon
>>275873 i most of the times can tell when, though
Yuu
oh, transgender friends.
For some reason no one ever believes me when I tell them that I'm a little slow.
>>275873 I have no motive to be messing around right now.
sk
>>275874 Oh wow I guess I should prepare something soft to lie down on for that if I ever get my hands on it
>>275880 well as you say, I don't understand a maiden's heart
moon
i know one of rika's signature moves is to play dumb but i really feal bang is the one playing dumb at this point
Anno
>>275881 Yeah, at least for me. It always made me really depressed for a few days too.
sk
I should probably wait until I'm less fucked up in the head, then Getting slammed with a day of depression on top of what I already am would likely not be a very good thing
banguYuu
I just operate on too many levels of irony for bang to understand. He is like a little babby
Anno
>>275885 That's probably a good idea, haha. It did make me want to kill myself a few times. I can't think of any bad experience while rolling though. It's just the awful aftereffects that I hate.
sk
Yeah that seems like something I should stay away from Especially now lately, cause I've been really fucking out of it and feeling like shit
>>275936 That's okay. You're not the only person to accidentally post a penis on /moe/. For the less accidental posters in the room, though, I may become cranky if I have to pay a lot of attention to /moe/ to moderate people who know better.
banguAnno
I got banned from a liveboard for posting penises.
moon
>>275941 were they all yours? maybe copyright issues
bangu
>>275939 I was posting lewd for the sake of justice
>>275952 You could have just reported it, I'm sure that works.
Yuu
>>275956 I tabbed back in and saw lewd images so I reacted! I didn't feel like going through all his posts to see how many lewd images he actually posted.
Well I accidentally posted one of those one time too. except it was attached to a man
>>275968 I very rarely post lewd things and it is often accidental in those rare instances where I do.
TN !PcAPtAiNJo
Best moment is when a pic has been posted for ages and then someone notices a hidden pantsu pixel or something
bangu
>>275969 silly rika, you don't have any lewd images saved
sk
why is this allowed
bangu
yachiyo was such a cute character
moon
i think it's kinda interesting that we feel less invaded by someone seeing the lewd things saved on our drives than we do by people knowing about our home lives i like it though
Anno
I have never accidentally posted a lewd!
moon
would you rather accidentally post a lewd you liked or accidentally post a poem you wrote in 7th grade
TN !PcAPtAiNJo
I'd go with the latter, since I am 100% positive that I wrote total 0 poems in 7th grade
sk
I'd go with the latter too cause I didn't do that, so it's basically cheating
>>275997 I don't know much or think too much about the ethics of it, but I'm american so most of the ones I've seen in person have been cut. well, all of them have I guess
TN !PcAPtAiNJo
Weird as fuck cultural thing to have cutting for no reason
bangumoon
>>276000 a lot of parents were told hygiene was a concern in the early-mid 20th cent they raised their kids based off what they knew
bangu
hygiene is as much of a concern with an uncircumsized penis as is pregnancy with an unspayed female
TN !PcAPtAiNJo
>>276002 A nice lie, but not even then cause to mutilate someone
moon
>>276003 nowadays, yes but in the 20s with outhouses and squatholes you dunno man
bangu
yeah i guess hygeine wasn't easily accessible until indoor plumbing became so innate in all construction
moon
>>276006 and by that time it's just how the culture was conditioned erryone did it
sk
why don't we just not treat kids as property for the parents to broadcast their aesthetic?
bangu
it's not really aesthetic though and try raising a kid while letting them make all their own decisions and you get modern american teenagers you don't want those
Yuu
>>276008 That's basically what they are for the first few years of their lives.
sk
>>276009 Cutting off part of the skin solely for the sake of looks is 100% an aesthetic thing
bangu
>>276011 not when your god says you won't go to heaven unless you do it just because you don't follow a religion doesn't mean other people don't
moon
>>276008 if only every generation had real-time data parsing instead of 20-year generational gaps to learn things then everything would be dandy it's all the last generation's fault they did what they felt was righ // right and they were in shittier circumstances trying to do better they couldn't see what was ahead to come yeah maybe it'd be handy to have your whole dick instead of the regular thing without the foreskin or whatever it is but is that argument worth fighting over the threat of a potentially deadly infection? and yeah, there was a period where damaging infections were medically treatable, but the people treated that kind of approach the same way you personally treat anything government they didn't trust it
sk
The christian god doesn't do that though
Anno
>>276012 Deities always have the weirdest fetishes.
sk
>>276013 Yeah but it's not 20 years ago it's today and it's still happening
bangu
I just read a thing and it made me feel really lonely I need to stay away from short stories I haven't felt lonely in longer than I can remember Granted, that's only a timespan of at least 4 months or so
Maria
>>275999 I'd make a slut joke but it seems like a low hanging fruit >>276022 Officer I plead the fifth
moon
>>276016 maybe listen to the end of the goddamned post and you'll have an answer to the question you didn't need to ask
bangu
i feel like listening to sad music and staring at the stars now please help
i'm absolutely not listening to that and in fact i am not even interested in hovering over it to see the title because i don't even care i care so little that the fact you offered it offends me enough to make a post about it
bangu
I wouldn't suggest it It's a rather niche interest
bangu
>>276028 look i see Waka Flocka and i'm outskies bruh
although there's still a little nagging in the back of my head about how i shouldn't be so cavalier about dismissing the value that romance could possibly bring to my life not as loud as the rest of my brain shouting "hey motherfucker you work 65 hours a week, worry about that shit later"
sk
did imats get power again yet?
Yuu
>>276038 I heard that if you chase money, bitches chase you.
bangu
>>276040 yeah but did you hear the explanation? they're chasing you because you're running from them and for good reason
Maria
>>276038 Just act more aloof I hear girls love that. The more you ignore them the more they want you.
bangu
i've intentionally pushed away and sabotaged every female relationship that could have gone anywhere in the past year the only exceptions being close friends
moon
ive pushed away some close friends in the last year i'm not happy about it but it's for the better i suppose
bangu
like I actually think that dating someone right now would have too many cons over any pros pros - self-validation that i already have (in excess) -nut -someone to do things with like concerts and eating food (which i already have in excess) cons- literally everything else
bangu
in the end it boils down to the only thing me gaining is puss and losing money, time, patience, stress management, availability (as a concept opposing commitment), and potentially losing self-worth and independence
bangu
and moe will call me a normie
sk
need me a red gf or none at all
bangu
i bet you that if you spent 6 months living here you'd change your political views radically
Maria
>>276045 Cool so the solution is to do nothing then
>>276050 The solution is to continue to count stacks But I do need to figure out a way to work less My hair is graying prematurely
sk
besides aren't you in like, Austin? isn't austin liberal as hell? I'd be too busy being mad at the libs to change politics
Yuu
I just hope you see the error of your ways before you bash someone over the head.
>>276054 You will likely get to work less as you move on up.
bangu
>>276056 No you literally don't understand I am showing actual physical symptoms because of my work schedule I'm actually sidestepping into a catering position (at a potential loss of 1-200 dollars a month) just to lessen my workload and make my schedule more consistent (mostly only weekday mornings and afternoons)
Anno
But you'll DEFINITELY get to work less once you're dead.
bangu
I didn't have a single gray hair two months ago and I've been working super hard hours recently I have too many gray hairs to reliably find and count now, at least 25-35 On top of that I've been getting headaches (which didn't used to happen) and I feel horribly fatigued after only a little bit of prolonged stress (which is like 4-5 hours every day that I work)
sk
>>276056 I don't think that's gonna be a real problem
Yuu
>>276059 You'll get used to it. Not that I know anything about that or anything.
>>276060 You need to be careful about how you define violence. A lot of people in communist or ultra-liberal circles are always trying to re-define what violence is so that they can beat on people unprovoked. Don't be like those people!
>>276061 I have been promoted for a lot longer than two months now My franchise is going to shit these past couple months and I've had to deal with some stupid shit because of it I spend more time at work than I do sleeping during the week that alone is bad, but the margin at which I do is visibly effecting my health
i definitely work more than i sleep i dont get 49 hours of sleep a week by a longshot
bangu
also my work is standing up and running around getting yelled at by customers and directing a pack of literal schoolchildren to make 89 orders and 1400 dollars worth of food at less than 5 minutes per order during the course of 60 minutes
moon
my work has no downsides whatsoever so i couldn't understand your struggles
bangu
i get what you're saying i'm just providing justification for the fact that i want to work less which i feel (and maybe even incorrectly) is being attacked simply by anyone providing anything but praise for me
Yuu
>>276072 Well, be careful about how you let yourself define violence. The rationale behind redefining violence is the implication that it's okay to be violent towards people who are violent toward you because of self-defense. A lot of people like to play word games there to try to justify violence against people they disagree with.
>>276079 not like you've ever been accepting of praise anyway that bothers you even more
moon
>>276081 fuck for real >you're a violent criminal, renaldo moon >for what?
>sleeping <49 hours a week
sk
>>276081 If you're worried about the fash, don't be They don't deserve human rights
bangu
I understand that I"m being selfish for saying "my hardship is harder" but seriously fuck you guys This all started because I wanted to provide justification for wanting to step into an easier position and avoid women
moon
you can just say it's hard i follow where you're coming from and for that same reason i make a joke instead because it's easier to interface with
Yuu
>>276088 Those are more word games. Lots of people want to define their enemies as fascists so they can justify violence against them.
>>276090 I'm not trying to argue with you. I see gray hairs every once in awhile too. Although my hair goes white instead of grey.
sk
Yeah but these are self-identified, hitler-was-a-good-boy, fucking fascists These aren't "oh they used violence so they're fash", these are "yes, authoritarian government enforcing social norms and killing democracy is a good thing" fascists who want fascism
bangu
>>276091 Yeah but seeing a lack of approval about major life decisions feels like an attack on them
Maria
>>276088 >don't deserve human rights >humans don't get human rights Don't use the term human rights if you're not talking about human rights
moon
>>276095 we're all undergoing our own too much to have the attention to attack yours
bangu
>>276094 what the hell do you think fascism even is most "fascists" don't even know the word is long gone now I guess
Yuu
>>276094 but communists want to kill democracy too
sk
>>276099 No we don't, we want to kill the state because it's undemocratic
bangu
democracy is just a form of constructing society, but could lead to vastly different societies communism isn't in opposition to democracy, that's just marketing communism is in opposition to free market economics, which just so happen to be the most common types of economic systems that spring up in places where it is democratically decided
Yuu
Well that's kinda going down a road I don't want to get distracted with anyway. My point is basically this >>276096
Playing mind games to justify violence against people is bad.
sk
>>276101 It's just a rejection of capitalism as a whole
Eh, the Jedi were shit too actually Better than the empire though
bangu
also we aren't democratic, we are literally republican also true democracy is as big a pipe dream as true communism some kind of psuedo-democratic capitalist-leaning republic with a few smart social programs is probably the type of government that controls entire world politics for several decades in a row
Maria
>>276105 Do you see where I'm going with this though
sk
What, both sides are bad let's just have centrism?
Maria
>>276109 That generally speaking it's not good to murder people because you disagree with them and that the ue of violence will lead to further violent repression and can easily be hijacked by psychopathes who just want to hurt others while feeling good about themselvs.
sk
Let's have SOME mass murder
Yuu
Star Wars is kind of a good example of both sides being kinda misguided. Well, I guess the empire was a bit more than kinda misguided. The Jedi were really just no fun allowed.
bangu
>>276109 well it turns out that centrism has worked pretty damn well here even if it only looks like centrism when you zoom out a bit
Maria
>>276112 Genius morally grey conflict, or shit writing? I'll let YOU decide.
sk
>>276113 Centrism works because everything at all times IS centrism It's literally just a reaction to change
>>276115 no, there have been some rather radical forms of government that are not centrism because they don't have a gigantic political center that is willing to cater to a wide variety of special interests forms of government seen in the U.S.S.R, The 3rd Reich, China, Singapore, India, Saudi Arabia, Israel, the list keeps going Some of them have worked well, some of them have worked well enough, and some of them are pretty obviously failures
MariaYuu
Actually, now that I think about it, that Anakin clip posted a minute ago is a good microcosm of why Star Wars sucks. Everyone is kinda retarded and the whole moral framework that the universe is built on is way too black and white and inflexible. I think it's because the writer was kinda autistic.
sk
Oh yeah, since you mention China Apparently it's a common 'problem' there with workers just bludgeoning or kidnapping their bosses China is fucking wild
Maria
>>276120 I saw a great documentary about Chinese building a road once There was some conflict over the contract so one guy hired a bunch of gang members to go bash the workers for working and a tonne of them had to go to hospital It took them two years to build this bridge and a tonne of people had to be moved from their homes with no compensation In the end the bridge lasted about 6 months before being shut down because they cut a tonne of corners
It was great
>>276124 If you were a fascist I'd probably say that you should stop being fascist Frankly I think people tolerate communists way more than fascists
sk
>>276117 But yeah it's true that there are radicals who pop up at times Fascism isn't something centrists reject though They will fight communism, but not fascism
banguYuu
>>276124 That's because when fascists and communists get violence get violent and make everything terrible for everyone, the centrists have to choose.
That's what happened in Germany.
It's also a really good argument as to why people should avoid political violence.
moon
little peggy? wha?
sk
>>276126 Naw, there doesn't need to be violence Centrists will side with the fash over commies 100% of the time because the fash can do it legally and commies can't
The means justify the end
bangubangu
>>276128 That's not even remotely true they literally sided with the commies in early 20th century russia
rook
>>276127 I didn't get the "look in 4D" thing until we finished that yesterday
sk
>>276130 Did they even have a functioning democracy to begin with?
Maria
You know what everyone likes though Japanese cartoons
Yuu
>>276128 I think you need to study history a little better. The fasicts did a ton of illegal stuff in taking over Germany. It was definitely a hostile takeover of a weak government.
bangu
>>276132 the preceding government doesn't matter when there's political turmoil that's the point of political turmoil
sk
>>276134 Yeah but they don't need to Fascists can get elected, they're not against the system itself
Even if you elect a blood red commie they can't do a fucking thing legally
moon
>>276131 i think it'd be worth playing again from the prologue fresh catch a whole lote of new things lot* i know your time's valuable though but it's not a game that particularly gets boring
>>276137 Fascists can't seize control of a government legally, either!
Maria
>>276139 We need to go wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiider
bangu
>>276137 don't you live in one of the world's most prosperous democracies in the world, known for being one of the happiest places to live also known for being the most democratic country in western history?
what the hell are you on about then come live in the US you'll change your tune
Maria
>>276145 don't you guys have a bigger income inequality? wouldn't that just make him like communism more. >>276143 NOT WIDE ENOUGH
sk
The US is pretty awful from what I've seen
bangu
>>276146 the income gap is like 65% completely unfair but there is truth that anyone who tries hard enough can make it it's just that you have to try really fuckin hard
Yuu
>>276145 I think he would change his tune if he got a better job. I think one of his big problems is that people make more money than him.
>>276150 we've made it >>276148 you gotta get lucky on the rng too
TN !PcAPtAiNJo
so here normal wide
bangu
>>276151 what i'm saying is that even if you get shitty rng, you can still make it it's just a lot harder than in the past mostly a function of overpopulation than anything
sk
>>276149 My income isn't something that guides my politics Though granted, my job does keep the anger in place
Yuu
>>276154 I think your thoughts will change once you get a better paying, more difficult job. For example, if you become a lawyer, I think you will see why you deserve to make more money than other people.
bangu
oh yeah when you make more money you think a lot more about taxes they don't bother you as much when your taxes alone couldn't buy you a month in japan every year
what's weird is that i've also had that image for like 5 or 6 year i think
sk
>>276155 I don't really see that as likely Everything that needs to get done does need to get done, so I don't really see why someone should be worth more as a human being for doing one thing over another
Yuu
>>276160 People who do harder jobs and take on more responsibility deserve to make more. People like bang who have grey hairs popping up because their jobs are burdensome deserve to make more.
I do a fairly hard job. If I could just make as much money screwing around on facebook at some busywork job, I'd totally quit and do that.
bangu
>>276160 when laying bricks in a two man team, one person mixes concrete and brings it to the bricklayer, and the bricklayer lays bricks this is much more efficient and much smarter than having both people pour concrete and lay bricks especially because the one pouring concrete can potentially provide it for 2 or maybe even three bricklayers if he works hard enough but his task is mindless and mentally easy, only physically difficult the bricklayers task is physically easier but takes more invested training and a steadier hand that said, the bricklayers task has a different value than the rather dispoable mixer's task do they all deserve the same amount of money for their time? the slight economic disadvantage there would be to paying their slightly different wages instead as the same would add up among all the bricklaying teams rather quickly, but not as quickly as the economic disadvantage in paying all of those bricklayers the same amount of money that you pay all of the mechanical engineers, project managers, shoe polishers, doctors, and clothiers in the end, you end up with what is probably the least likely system to get anything done properly at all ever
sk
>>276161 Bang does deserve to make more But not more than others
Yuu
>>276164 Bang absolutely does deserve to make more than people who he is more useful than. He has skills others don't have and takes on more responsibility than others. People who work harder and do hard jobs deserve to make more than people who don't.
TN !PcAPtAiNJo
"equal pay for everyone" lol that would kill most jobs in the world
sk
>>276167 Well yeah, most jobs are completely unnecessary
TN !PcAPtAiNJo
ie. all jobs that require intense amount of training, dedicated time to learn the craft and education and so on so good bye society
Maria
How would you assign jobs with equal pay?
Yuu
>>276167 I'd quit and get an easier job. So would everyone else.
sk
>>276170 I'm not sure they'd need to be assigned as much as open >>276169 You're stuck in a mindset where your job is your life
TN !PcAPtAiNJo
And people would just flog into them like waste disposal managing >>276173 I am stuck in a mindset that humans have been using since we made pointy sticks to hunt animals those who do more get more simple as that
Yuu
>>276173 You would have to assign jobs if the pay was equal. No one would do the jobs nobody wants to do.
Maria
>>276173 people would overflow into the easier jobs and you'd have too many people working them while not enough people would wana work the shit jobs
In areas where certain labour is requried that isn't being supplied, employers can make these positions more attractive through offering higher wages or benefits. Then after it gets flooded with more people they can slow down on that It automatically organises and stabilises itself
TN !PcAPtAiNJo
Like let's take truck drivers a job that doesn't require that much skill or education to do just the appropriate license practically and when it comes to menial jobs, it isn't one of the worst ones out there anyhow.
but who actually goes "i wanna drive trucks for living" nah they go to that field, because it is relativel low hanging fruit that also gives quite decent pay too. >>276183 lol no
sk
We're like a decade away from truck drivers being obsolete, too, though
Yuu
If I screw up at work, people get messed up bad. It's a lot of pressure. If I could make just as much money doing an easy thing I would.
I think most people are like that.
You'd also have people not wanting to do stuff like be garbage men or working at sewage plants.
Maria
>>276182 Honestly doesn't sound that bad Get to look out the window and listen to music all day
sk
>>276185 I think most people who work in the health sector and stuff want to work in the health sector
This is the kinda thing that evens out as people get less stressed out and just do the stuff they want to
>>276188 Most of my coworkers are extremely tsundere for their jobs and crack jokes about how horrible it is. It is stressful work. I promise you that if we could make just as much money browsing facebook while half-heartedly watching a security camera feed somewhere, most of us would take it.
TN !PcAPtAiNJo
People do tend to seek out employment in the fields they are intrested, in order to make the hamsterwheel more enjoyable, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't do something easier if given the chance, without their living standards lowering more over, people tend to seek a field because it pays well foremost and then if it is something they want to do
bangu
two jobs in the same building janitor and neurophysicist are you saying the guy who had to study intensely for almost a decade just to get on the track that would eventually lead him to having the skills he needs to perform extremely precise and difficult work should make the same wage as the alcoholic who just mops up the shit
SK you don't have to go full blown "every job gets exactly equal pay" You could just go "every job should have a minimum reasonable standard of living" I've heard other communists say stuff like that when I asked them about wages
>>276206 What sort of character are you playing? >>276211 does it werk >>276212 tell me his hopes and dreams
bangu
>>276199 no neurophysicist says "i want to be a neurophysicist because it's cool" they do it because they worked hard to gain a variety of opportunities to do something difficult, and the one they managed to attain was that one they wanted those opportunities either out of societal pressure or because they wanted to reap the benefits of it - academic prestige and money, fuckloads of it they may have just happened to pick the neurophysicist path, and maybe they did that because it's cool to them, but they had to be the person capable of doing it in the first place and they had to feel the need to actually do it with their aptitude they very easily could have been an advanced rocket ballistics physicist or maybe a microbiologist their person is of more value to industry as a concept, as a whole, than is the guy who wipes his shit off the toilet bowl and can be replaced with a self-cleaning toilet
TN !PcAPtAiNJo
>>276207 coincidentally this is already a thing in all scandi countries
>>276213 That statement means nothing to me >>276215 wow I bet you play as a girl in mmorpgs too
sk
>>276209 Well why wouldn't anyone wanna do it? It seems cool
FormerRei@mobile
A fucking fly just landed on my phone. I flicked it away. >>276216 It's part of a running gag of characters with really similar names who are all sisters that seems to really bother some people.
Maria
>>276217 >pressure to not fuck up >long hours spent studying >hard work
TN !PcAPtAiNJo
>>276217 so who shovels the shit? who cleans the sewers?
sk
>>276220 Oh oh I know this one The people who want it to be done
Well would you do it I assume you want it to be done, because who would love for the sanitation not to work >>276227 for life
Maria
>>276218 Wow is there an extended universe going on here? >>276224 Why would I clean the sewers if I know that someone else will do it This is why we have the government pay people to do that sort of thing anyway
sk
I'd be fine with doing it
sk
Why for life? Just do it when it needs doing
FormerRei@mobile
>>276226 Extended universe is the wrong word, but yes there is continuity. Sort of, its a shared campaign setting.
>>276217 I"m answering the question for you SK where the fuck are you in life what the fuck are you doing you could just as easily be a neurophysicist but you aren't
sk
Right, but there's more than just you using the sewer, right?
Yuu
>>276226 My roommate in college and I had a stubborness war over taking the trash out and washing the dishes. Neither of those tasks were completed successfully in an entire month.
We all use the roads We all use the sewers We all use the water works We all use the police services We all use a lot of public services
We're not all gonna be able to do it Why would I do it when I can reap the benefits of someone else doing it >>276244 Yeah but do you see what I'm getting at here
TN !PcAPtAiNJo
equal pay for all won't work because of basic human nature is all not even in post-scarcity society you always need insentives to keep you driven when faced with hard and challenging tasks
either it just doesn't work or the society born will decay quick, as the high challenge and risk fields just die out, due to lack of motivation and drive to take them
>>276248 no wron g that's the meansd what does quality for everyone achieve?
TN !PcAPtAiNJo
Equal crap for everyone, if you ask me well everyone is equal when everyone is dirt poor and lives a shitty life of no goals and motivations
sk
No that's the goal
It... it accomplishes equality for all
bangu
no you're missing it entirely that's the means what does that accomplish? what is the end game
Maria
SK what are you actually gonna do once you've overthrown the government
bangu
>>276251 what does that even mean? what is the point of equality for all? communism is a form of economics that seeks to achieve equality for all BECAUSE ____________ what goes in the blank
FormerRei@mobile
>>276251 You could easily get equality for all by having literally every single himan being killed. Or killing all the ones you dislike and having the survivors be treated equally.
sk
>>276254 Haven't really given it much thought, it's not something I can see happening soon
Maria
>>276257 >Haven't really given it much thought Are you saying you haven't given these beliefs much thought >>276259 drugs aren't really a good idea
bangu
>>276257 this is exactly why you're fucking retarded go do drugs or some shit, jesus
>>276251 This is a problem I see a lot of people have. The goal isn't equality for all as the end result, it's equality for all from the starting line. I know we have some problems with that too, but we're trying.
But trying to force an equal result on everyone is insane and harmful in the end. People aren't created equal, unfortunately.
TN !PcAPtAiNJo
>>276256 True equality is death for all indeed and not just all the planet itself
bangu
>>276260 holy fuck my dude you don't even know why you want equality you're lost
sk
>>276258 No, I just haven't thought about what I wanna do once the communism is established Cause it's like trying to figure out what you'll do first once you're in heaven
Maria
>>276260 I have another question. If you could choose between me having 5$ and you having 5$, or me haveing 50$ and you having 20$, which would you pick? >>276265 Okay let me rephrase my last question After you've overthrown the government how will you establish communism.
bangu
>>276265 No it's important to figure this shit out because you might waste your entire life seeking something out that isn't worth seeking out in the first place maybe you should work on improving yourself before you work on trying to improve literally anything else
TN !PcAPtAiNJo
Equality for all means hammering down the shining individuals who are born better than others, so that the ones who are born less so can be risen tot he standard
>>276278 Really good short story Which is basically that, like smart people literally have to wear headphones that play random noises to prevent them from thinking
Maria
>>276277 Exactly. Now the framework of the question is that the inequality produces more overall. In the inequality both parties are inequal, but both are better off.
Now admittedly this is a hypothetical and not applying to the real world, but you see what I mean.
it's literally impossible and achieves nothing anyways
Yuu
>>276286 This is one of those word games I have been cautioning against. The state of not having a lot of stuff is a natural state. Whether you choose to label it with a word or not doesn't matter.
sk
>>276280 Yeah sure, if equality means nobody gets to live any life worth living, that'd be bad But that's... just not the case
bangu
No that is literally the case perfect equality cannot work in a world where people have running water and shelter
FormerRei@mobile
>>276290 Christ dude Like fucking read about the Soviet union.
TN !PcAPtAiNJo
>>276286 yeah inside the system no one is rich or poor everyone is equal but from an outside view, everyone is poorer than a rivalling system of inequality...
sk
>>276289 It's not a label thing, it's just not something that pops up in communism because the system isn't set up to create it
If your entire argument is "COMMUNISM WAS THE SOVIET UNION", there's literally no point in talking about it, because you're about as informed on it as T "The bolsheviks are the only communists who ever lived, and communism is about killing Ukrainians" N
FormerRei@mobile
>>276300 Yeah it wasn't, the point is that they tried to be communist and failed to do it properly. Also there's a lot more to the soviet union than just Bolsheviks and killing ukranians. Oh and every other country that had a "communist" revolution also failed to do it properly.
TN !PcAPtAiNJo
>this communism wasn't communism because it wasn't implemented correct I wonder what people would say if everyone said the same about every fascist nation...
bangu
the point is that you cannnot implement communism correctly in a vacuum, it's just ugly and boring at best in real life, it's literally just bad for people
sk
You're right, capitalism isn't possible Be a feudalist
bangu
>purging the weak and sick and depressed because you can't find anyone willing to be a doctor
TN !PcAPtAiNJo
CAPITALISM HAS NEVER BEEN IMPLEMENTED CORRECTLY
FormerRei@mobile
>>276308 Well obviously it is possible because it exists right now. Unless you're using a weird definition for it.
sk
No really Capitalism wasn't a one-attempt-success, either
Go back to monarchies
bangu
just to let you know SK, under a working communist system you would probably be discarded if you aren't providing your fair share to the system, you are dead weight
No, this is ridiculous You're arguing against "communism", but your communism is WHATEVER STALIN DID IS LITERALLY WHAT MARX SAID
Maria
>>276290 okay so it's not inequality you really hate, it's poverty
TN !PcAPtAiNJo
people who support communism are just people who want things for free
FormerRei@mobile
>>276320 I never sad anything like that. What I'm saying is that there is a great risk in attempting to establish a communist nation. because so far they've all fucked up and millions of people had shitty lives because of it Inb4 "communism doesn't work in nations and will only work when capitalism is gone ...."
>>276266 >After you've overthrown the government how will you establish communism. Please answer this How are you gonna organise everything
sk
The organizational part is pretty difficult, and I'm not solid on it You gotta make sure the 'state' doesn't actually have the ability to Stalin
TN !PcAPtAiNJo
And then that organization becomes the new state and as it requires immense amounts of centralisation, it will slowly gobble up more and more power and then just start using it on the people the end same story eacht ime >>276334 because humans just stop being and acting like humans suddenly?
bangu
if the state isn't powerful enough to kill literally everyone who doesn't do exactly what they're supposed to, then there will be people willing to rebel against it and it will fragment and crumble you have to entice people to partake in government because it benefits them and it does not benefit the majority of people to lose the state they had in the first place
Because capitalism requires fascism we must go communist actually Capitalism is when hitler controls everything and if you disagree you have to stop your "not real capitalism" whining
TN !PcAPtAiNJo
fascism is actually anti-capitalism, if you didn't know.
Maria
>>276335 no one is forcing you to stop talking Please define facism for a second
sk
>>276337 Fascism is literally capitalism but that's a separate point My point is that you're arguing against a fucking phantom of an idea that nobody actually holds
TN !PcAPtAiNJo
fascism is socialistic economic policies and nationalising the means of production... why have powerful entities lik corporations compete with your government?
FormerRei@mobile
Can we just like Stop this conversation It's going nowhere and is just really obnoxious
sk
capitalism is when you force kids to work and nothing else
Maria
>>276343 my brothers aren't being forced to work am I not in a capitalist society
bangu
literally monkey brained
sk
>>276344 no your society doesn't exist because capitalism is forcing kids to work I know because the TV said so
bangu
fascism is closer to communism than is free market capitalism..........
Maria
>>276346 Okay I can sort of No I don't understand this point at all
sk
There is nothing communistic about fascism For one, there's an authoritarian state and police
bangu
no but there is a lot of fascism inherent in communism
Yuu
Wasnt hitler's government pretty socialist?
I do agree that there is a lot bad with capitalism when it goes too far. I just don't think of nazi germany when I think of late stage capitalism.
Like I'm sorry that your idea of socialism is "when the government does stuff", but that's not my fault
bangu
socialism is the idea of large government-enforced programs dictating sectors of human industry
no it literally is
Maria
>>276330 Okay I understand that the USSR and the like weren't real communists and were just a poorly implemented attempt at communism But this post really doesn't inspire much confidence in your means of achieving communism How are you gonna achieve communism In order to get to communism, you need a means
>>276360 The USSR was a Dictatorship of the Proletariat that fucked up for reasons unknown to me Some tankies will say they were socialist, but not really
bangu
a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole. -socialism
bangu
the community as a whole is the government when a body governs itself, it is the government a group of people is a body making decisions for itself is governing
sk
>>276366 No it's not though The government isn't... the people The government is capital
bangu
>>276368 you know that governments are made of people right you know that a communist government is a government
sk
Yeah and businessmen are people too, that doesn't mean all business is already run by 'the people'
bangu
>>276373 no businesses are literally run by people
sk
Not the people as a whole, it's not democratic
sk
But yes, there's a 'government' in socialism at the very least It's just a lot more direct than what we have now, that's why there's a distinction And, also, it doesn't technically need to be there
bangu
a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
bangu
socialism is the idea of large government-enforced programs dictating sectors of human industry
no it literally is
bangu
Like I'm sorry that your idea of socialism is "when the government does stuff", but that's not my fault
bangu
socialism is literally that the government does stuff
Maria
what exactly are you advocating what implementation of communism
sk
I dunno about the method, but it's not like it's \\\ >>276386 Yeah gee I don't know absolutely every single part of a future, unknown system of human society, fucking shoot me why don't you
bangu
your answers are always started with "i don't know" because you don't know fucking anythign
bangu
>>276383 no not every single part but exactly not a single part you like it because it's trendy and promises you more than you have you're an ingrate you're lazy and you're fucking scum
Maria
>>276383 if it's in the future and unknown then why are you advocating for it now
sk
Cause we have to get there You don't need all the parts set in stone, people argue this shit all the time
bangu
You're as ideal-centric as a fucking jihadist
Maria
>>276390 You need some sort of plan Otherwise we get disasters
sk
>>276393 Yeah, that's true I like the marxists' ideas but I don't want to say anything definitive about stuff I don't know, that's really all there is to it
Maria
So instead of aiming at an ideal that won't /// that we don't know how to implement yet and might not be possible for decades, why don't you just start smaller I can get that you don't like capitalism, you think that the market is unfair right? So why don't you just start with addressing problems with the market that can be adressed by the government You could help people right now with little risk Even marx said you gotta go through socialism before you get to communism
>>276402 Sorry I probably could have talked about something else earlier but I was intrigued >>276406 Yeah there's a lot of interesting monster designs. Like that one that's just a big black goop thing with a shadow hanging in the sky like a sphere. Or that one that drops off parts of itself in the atmosphere to guide its last shot as it throws itself at the earth like a precision bomb.
You know I really like how alien the angels look. There's nothing very animalistic or earthly in their designs. Thank master Anno.
>>276408 I ought to get those figures of the moe anthropomorphizations of the Eva angels.
FormerRei@mobile
>>276408 Yeah Also I think I finally killed the fly. I got a really good flick in, and I think I heard it smack into a plastic storage container and then fall.
Maria
>>276417 I wonder how much kinetic force the fly felt considering how big and fast a finger is compared to
>>276420 It's back But it's a bit slower now, i definitely dealt some damage
TN !PcAPtAiNJo
>>276420 you need quite a good smack on insects to just kill them with kinetic force squashing is much more effective
Maria
>>276423 maybe you should mercykill it >>276425 resilient little buggers
FormerRei@mobile
>>276425 I don't want fly guts on my hand And especially not my phone
TN !PcAPtAiNJo
just tell it to fly out of a window
FormerRei@mobile
>>276430 The windows are closed and can't be accessed without moving stuff
FormerRei@mobile
>>276426 They have exoskeletons and open circulatory systems, so their body's absorb and dissipate the energy without causing much trauma to any specific part Also because of their open circulatory system they don't hemorrhage or bruise in the same way we do
Maria
>>276433 that's pretty crazy if a giant flicked me I'd die from the shock
Probably helps that flies are lighter too
TN !PcAPtAiNJo
>>276437 bigger factor is how their bodies are constructed no skeleton and all that
>>276462 I don't live in a pigtsy. If you leave a single plate in the sink, ants will get on it. If you don't take the cookies out of the plastic container they come in and put them in some kind of sealed container, ants will get it.
Furthermore, ants will just plain be driven inside by cold temperatures.
I hate ants.
FormerRei@mobile
Might've gotten it for good
FormerRei@mobile
>>276467 That really sounds like a problem with the place you live rather than ants. That sounds like your house just has a lot of holes ir something
My house tends to get a lot of incoming ants during the summer. But it's probably a good sixty-seventy years old in some parts of the construction. I wouldn't assume it to be insect proof in the slightest, and we have anywhere between four to six people living here at any given time. Even the biggest cleanfreak couldn't prevent insects from finding something with that many people around.
FormerRei@mobile
>>276491 My last place was like 120-130 years old.
Okay, this is the longest time I've spent being unmolested by the fly since I got in bed. I think its dead now. Either that or too damaged to move properly.
>>276604 I'd come leave a note for you guys if I was dying and had the time.
Kirara
>>276605 If I had the time, I might, but only one post isn't having the time. I'm not going anywhere, so don't worry!
Yuu
I mean if you had time to make a bunch of posts maybe you should just try to get an ambulance instead.
Anno
Or try to get the guy who got you.
Maria
>>276607 You can't die without leaving some cool dying words Securing that is top priority
Kirara
You said I sleep posted so you knew I wasn't dying!
Yuu
I mean, yeah, I figured it out pretty quick that you were sleep posting and not dying.
Kirara
So what's the problem?
Yuu
It was still pretty foreboding!
Kirara
You're such a worrywart.
Yuu
Yes, my natural state is worrying about pretty much everything.
If you sleep post on moe, does that also mean you sleep text people?
Kirara
I've texted people in my sleep, I guess.
Maria
Do you dream about posting on /moe/ too?
Yuu
>>276616 That seems like it may be a troublesome tendency sometimes.
Kirara
>>276617 No. I've had dreams with moes in them, but always in-person.
>>276618 I don't have to worry about it anymore because I can set up a password at night that I have to enter to get into my texts and I can't seem to do that in my sleep.
Maria
>>276619 I've had tonnes of dreams about posting on /moe/ and Tano Sometimes I wake up and I'm like "wow thank god I didn't post that in real life!"
It's good you can't text someting really stupid in your sleep
Yuu
>>276619 If your sleeping brain can do something complex like posting on /moe/ why can't it enter the password? I phrased that question wrong, because you probably won't be able to answer that. I remembered how I wanted to rephrase it when I started the second sentence but can't remember now.
I'm having tiredness induced brain problems at the moment it seems.
The password is a string of characters that I can't remember, so I can't input it, I think. I write it down somewhere and change it frequently. I haven't texted in my sleep since I started that. I can still email but I don't have my professional contacts on my phone.
Yuu
The brain sure is crazy! Being able to sleep post is amazing.
Kirara
I guess it is.
Kirara
Because of it, I am awake a lot more on average than other people when I sleep, though.
Yuu
Does it count you as awake when you're doing that kind of thing?
I need to get one of those, I'm curious about my sleeping statistics.
Mine was a gift, so I'm not sure. older models can't do the sleep though I have the Fitbit Charge 2. I think it's like $100?
It tells me when I'm getting phone calls and stuff too and who's calling, and has a cool silent alarm.
>>276628 I'm bad at sleeping. On average, 15% of my time sleeping is actually awake.
Anno
You can get a variety of models with more or less features at scaling prices. My mother's pretty fond of hers.
Yuu
Yeah, looks like it's 100 bucks. I wonder what the cheapest one that does sleep is.
100 bucks falls just a tad on the too expensive side of my price analyzation test. I doubt I'd get much more than an hour's worth of amusement out of it.
Kirara
Become a runner.
It's also nice because it can monitor my heart rate, so when my chest starts getting bad, I can easily check it.
Yuu
I do run during winter, but I don't really care about the statistics. I usually just run for a certain amount of time. I don't really have to monitor my heart like you do so that stuff isn't a concern for me.
Kirara
I probably wouldn't have ever bought one but they are pretty interesting.
if it keeps on in that path it'll probably hit Florida as a cat 3 or 4 too lol
Kannagi
Is there anymore forming?
Kirara
maria is heading towards florida and lee is out there but lee is expected to die off none others rn but September is the most active month for hurricanes on average
Kirara
norma and otis are on the other side of the country but aren't expected to really do anything
Koi-
yeah
Koi-
...oh wait no
Koi-
yeah. Just look at this opening page. So much game dev drama thrust into two panels
Koi-
And I'm pretty sure it's a lewd game
ToN
awesome
Koi-
This guy went and found a lewd cursed game and thought it would be a good idea to play it on the school computer.
Koi-
haha holy shit
Koi-Kannagi
I am calibrating my screens with a device. my second screen is pretty dim , 94 ccm or what ever the units were