> The refs showed up just in time to be like, "yep, these are not footballs anymore." So now there were only 17 Detmer balls known to humankind, and Mike had all of them.
Koi-
fucked up yo
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
mike is pretty fucked up
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
>You know, I never went to New York. how you been alive for 15000 years and never go to new york
Koi-
oh fuck Juice is the best
月
juice is pretty cool he reminds me of someone but i dunno who
Chapter 2 is a screamer in the sense that you go OH SHIT. WHAT. WHAT.
月
>>207638 i've been thinking about it and i wonder what it would take to motion track with a greensuit and the tracker balls in VR360 space like we can get two greensuits and then just swap in anime girl skins
Anno
This is the weirdest fucking article that I've seen lmao
>>207642 that sounds pretty difficult hmm i could probably switch someone into a greensuit pretty easily but no clue how to use wait yeah i do yeah i could do that in aftereffects
Koi-
>New Meadows! These guys are me while on the Amtrak >the fuck are these names
Yumeko
I got my ID now :D
月
>>207646 i'm pretty sure i can too but the SCOPE of doing it is massive compared to like a clean cinematography shot i don't think it'd be a two man job it'd take a lot of work
>>207645 On one hand, throwing a fit over it is retarded On the other though, it's been a decade, it may be time to keep your memorial of your mother at the graveyard where she is buried like everyone else, and take this down
wow a building made out of sidewalk my girls would love it in fact, the first sentence caroline ever said was "i like walkin"
Koi-
>You run and run and run and you keep turning pages and none of them are empty. They're all full of stories. There's nowhere left to write.
>I think I'm just a bookmark. Real shit
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
it's kind of funny that you are // you and i are like at the exact same part constantly
Koi-
fucking Juice I swear to god
Koi-
>game 27 We're going for a classic. oh god, what is this monstrosity Is this a Japanese game show or something
Koi-
I love this. I love this so much.
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
>individual players found that they could also present legal arguments for splintering off into their own factions.
rook
pion
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
man Ten takes everything so seriously
Koi-
>oh yeah broncos fans are crazy i'm dying
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
17776 movie when
Koi-
>I bet you think this is capitalism
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
juice is so woke
Koi-
>i think you see deeds and contracts and bureaucratic bloat and see that something went wrong. something was ALWAYS wrong y'all.
>i love it. i love to watch it. in a zoo, where it can't hurt me. Juice likes capitalism as a spectator sport and that's the most human thing I've ever heard
Imagine if this was a video game. >Yeah, let's play football. >Future Football >Same rules with some quirks >I wonder what the single player campaign is like >SATELLITES >TWISTERS >TYPO GAME >WATER BALL
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
>Wait, what happened to it? What happened to the sun? >LOL >LOLOLOL
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
juice is the best
Koi-
omg fucking Ten hahahaha Thank you Juice what a fucking mistake
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
>DONT TALK SHIT ABOUT THE LOTTERY the lottery rules
Koi-
You're about to see a good part
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
haha billion
Koi-
>up and kills almost 8 billion people with a typo
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
> like this one is one of my favorites. in suburban chicago theres this office park. its one of those office parks you see all over the place that has a pond next to it for some reason. its not a real pond, it's just a hole they dug and filled with water and stocked with fish. who knows why, nobody fuckin goes fishing there.
Samurai !KW2DbpWwls
>based on your genetics, you are likely to drink slightly less caffeine than average, if you drink caffeine at all. you know what, fuck 23andme
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
i wanna do it just to see what it says about me but i dn't wanna pay a hundred bucks for it
Samurai !KW2DbpWwls
oh you guys read 17776 too awesome
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
we're reading it right now it's pretty great
Koi-
I read the first chapter last night and was like "oh shit what" then it turned to some weird game and figured I'll get to it later and now it's just really amazing.
月
i think me, kirara, and blue should start a podcast
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
i'd be down
月
life, liberty, and the pursuit of a penis
Koi-
I call liberty.
月
>>207702 these were the actual words spoken the scribe just fucked it up
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
but none of us have life so that leaves the pursuit of a penis for everyone else that's not very fair
月
did i tell you i'm tc'ing for infowars haha there's like alex jones promo commercials inside the videos am i supposed to tc the commercials too haha
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
that's great have fun with the gay frogs
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
> Okay, okay, cool. So it looks like the burger comes with pickles, but the chicken sandwich doesn't. And I want pickles, but y'alls' burgers are kinda bad.
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
does Sonic actually have good breakfast sandwiches?
月
never had one
greenscreen suits are like 15 bucks wow that's cheap do they only work in static lighting i wonder wouldn't it get all fucked up in scattered/changing lighting our anime girls are going to look so garbled and distorted
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
static lighting is best but a good dude can make variable lighting work it's much harder though
you could shoot greenscreen suits with a bluescreen background and then bluescreen them into the actual footage you want them in it'd be complicated but doable
月
oh yeah that is doable isn't it let me think we'd need a lot of hecking bluescreen to surround the car for post though
Koi-
;_____;
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
>>207712 yeah true but i don't think it'd be too hard >>207713 haha
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
>Objective syndrome there's me that's me
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
but yeah i'd be totally down for a podcast a podcast with /moe/s would be hilarious we're // we'd come up with some fucked up shit for it i bet
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
> LACROTA'S. PHONE. Disconnected. this is too real
>>207716 we'd have to have balancing personalities so it doesn't stagnate is the thing podcasts are really hard because everyone thinks they can grab their friends and make it but then they don't have the momentum to give it any real flavor or they try way too hard to force something that shouldn't be
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
> Because um, see like, the bridge to God is through the cross. I have a diagram, um, it kind of shows how like >>207721 fair enough
Koi-
It gets pretty real.
月
>>207722 what would the focus even be a politics / tech / anime girls podcast oh fuck we can VR it with our greensuits blue when are you free for a trip
かんなぎ☆
Awoo I have returned. I have rum raisin fudge and catherine wheels
月
that sounds tasty
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
katherine or catherine, /moe/?
かんなぎ☆
Catherine what I am most used to.
月
>>207727 Catherine that was my first boyfriend's name so i'll never accept Katherine
17776 is really good at giving individuality to every character despite them being text-based.
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
> But the Browns, I knew they'd always be there. They'd always lose. I got up every morning, it hurt, and at night I'd go to bed. They'd get up every Sunday, get the tar beat out of them, and they'd show up the next Sunday to do it all again.
> Okay. So if they fumble, the ball's really heavy, so it doesn't float. It sinks to the bottom. So all of a sudden the game turns into a diving expedition. oh man
Koi-
So much good game design in this
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
i think this story would make an amazing indie movie
月
or a good exurbia video speaking of which one sec
>>>/watch?v=F6SrOpYT6lw here watch this shortly it's just a few minutes you can go back to the football after
>>207772 i'd really like to just document all of it i'll probably get admitted because they're ramblings of a madman and i sound pretty out there but the AI gods will see it in like 50 years and be like "shit, this guy knew it all we gotta bring him back and put him in the brain bank" >>207776 oh dude with your psychology expertise and my expertise in being fuckin crazy, we could do crazy simulators by VR if i did it right it wouldn't even be horrifying just like real soft-toned ramblings about information that you can just listen to but not really need to make it out, along with jazzopedie fading in and out and just random hallucinations that would be horrifying if you weren't so comfortable
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
what if did a horror vr experience and there's a part where they listen to your ramblings
I was reading quotes by Marshall mcLuhan and one of them made me think of you moon >We have become like the most primitive Palaeolithic man, once more global wanderers, but information gatherers rather than food gatherers. From now on the source of food, wealth and life itself will be information.
>>207778 i really think we can be legit content producers i probably need to get back on my meds though even though i'm working hard to try to function unmedicated, and i've made big strides, it's still lacking my work quality suffers
月
suffers a lot* and even tasks that i'm motivated to do are sluggish and so taxing >>207777 yeah that's really cool >>207778 i'm thinking about a small project to get some actual data that i can parse easily i want to have a short interview, like 10 minutes long, but i want the words and tonal structure to be as completely randomized as possible but still retain linguistic elements of english, like distribution of nouns/verbs/particles, but not necessarily in proper order and i want to have like 10 or 15 people transcribe it and then like 10 or 15 AI transcribe it i've got a hypothesis and i wanna do that and then try to parse the data into useful information it should only cost like 100 bucks but i'd need someone to record the interview with
Bojangles is such a weird name I thought it was a fake thing, it is real? >>207793 It is you in space!
月
yeah bojangles is a chicken and biscuits joint here in the east coast and mid south a lot of people don't know about them because they're only in like four states, but they're branching out now but if you're in one of those states where there are bojangles, they outnumber mcdonalds locations like threefold there's probably a bojangles every four blocks people really love bojangles
Kirara wouldn't make such a huge mistake like ten did
Koi-
You know what's crazy about this? At the very start, you're like... holy shit. every 217 days? That's so fucking long. And then you've gotta wait 11 whole years or however long And after that, it's just wow, lol fuck time
scuttling bugs used to spook my heart out but i don't know why anymore they don't bother me at all these days i'll handle centipedes there's really nothin to be scared of
It is interesting, even if we are like on different sides of the ocean. we are seeing things typed out live. neato in a strange way now that I read thing
>>207822 It's pretty neat. Doesn't it make you feel like we're right here together? It makes me feel pretty close to you guys.
月
yeah i do wish tone could be conveyed better though i think my flavor of humor is too obscure to be received well that's why i really like juice, he's got that same thing going but he's well scripted and pulls it off but the other folks are scripted too so it's 100% reception
>>207825 Yeah, it feels like we are all right here. It is pretty amazing but I've got so used to it. >>207826 Juice actually reminds me of you to be honest.
>>207828 I think so too. I think the reason I can feel so close to you guys is because of that feeling.
Even though we're far apart, the nature of /moe/ creates a very real conversational flow of haha conversation I guess But it feels very real It's not just full posts showing up, it's real people, typing up responses
It is a perfect sense of closeness and distance for me. It used to panic me a little because I would start posting things too honestly and then not know how to respond or how to explain but.
It is fun to talk to all of you, and I know what you all like or if you'll agree with something or sometimes I learn a lot. Actually most of the time I am learning something new.
I don't usually have a whole lot to contribute though!
It is, I know moes enough that sometimes I see things I think moon would like that, kirara told me about this or blue might like this etc. I don't really have any real life friend so to speak of but I am generally not so socialable in the real life way but online is nice. not awkward well not always awkward. There can be awkward moments or times I want to kick TN or who is posting awkward stuff.
Maybe we'd be creative a discover a way to communicate any how, like hobby radio or some other way to communicate. or we'd just go with our lives and never really interact in this sort same way.
What a romantic thought, an AU without internet but we still connect to each other through radio
かんなぎ☆
>>207835 Like we all tune into a radio and talk to each other and with call signs that are the same has our names. I heard in the past it used to be popular for small groups to have hobby radios and tune in with people all over the world like in russia and everywhere
>>207836 I'd like it if it were true! It'd be nice to think that.
月
i hadn't heard them called hobby radios karl pilkington talked about his childhood and using the radios to talk to like truckers and random people in manchester
Oh right, ham radio. I sometimes get caught up with all the Japanese I have absorbed >>207839 Maybe in some universe we all satellites. I kinda like the idea of being a sentient satellite
>>207841 i know that you say that i seem pretty okay mentally but there are times i legitimately believe i'm software running on my own brain from somewhere else like it's a real thing sometimes i don't feel that way but it's kind of messed up though not entirely unpleasant
We won't even want to get to know you if you act like that
'act like what? D:
月
>>207862 i can't believe people fuckin believed him and betrayed me like how did he have any credibility in the first place fuck i'm still angry about that stabbed right in the back hard >>207866 yeah consider yourself lucky
>>207866 Probably. He was a super big piece of shit.
>>207865 Idk why I ever believed him At all I guess wishful thinking
>>207864 Like that. Look at your posts and everyone else's. There's a big difference between them. If you want to fit in, you need to lurk and learn how to post here in a way that will allow you to fit in.
Ohh okay so basically I need to get to know you all and what you talk about instead of you getting to know me >>207871 I mean getting to know by lurking
月
>>207870 no, you dont have to do anything that's your first misconception
>>207872 I also want to ignore but I'm trying to be kind >>207874 If you say something like that, he/she might think it's ok to be themselves when it's not necessarily okay
>>207880 My proposal was just that I'll learn from experience rather than lurking which is kind of boring, but if that's what you want me to do im fine with it, i don't mind im not here to ruin for you all ol
月
guys chill out for a second let me get him through the opening interview
>>207883 Lurking is good so you can align the groups expectations with your own You sound like a normal guy from a shitposty /jp/ irc, you can acclimate if you try
>>207894 i didn't have any expectation i just ask the questions and find out whether it's someone worth asking questions to some people have interesting answersy yours were pretty bland
She still can't stand outside on the balcony alone for more than a minute without having a panic attack If I suggested that I could go grab the car, she'd probably die from the anxiety
FormerRei@mobile
Is she still not seeing a therapist?
Kirara☆
how could she? she can't go do that because it'd involve being alone with a stranger
>>207921 I don't think she is I'm just making burgers
>>207920 Is it actually impossible for you to sit in with her during the therapy session(s) until she is comfortable with the person? Because if it is then that makes it seem like this is untreatable.
>>207925 You I"m sure you know how professionally unethical this is. I think you should at least start seriously considering taking her to some sort of counseling or therapy, and then just go with her for as long as needed.
holy shit lightning explodin like a fuckin atom bomb >>207928 >>207928 >>207928 i dont need advice on this i've considered everything i'm doing and am aware of the implications >>207927 Yeah she's her usual self
when I googled it, I got lots of posts about how it is fake and doesn't exist.
FormerRei@mobile
>>207928 Fine >>207929 I wish you the best with your relationship. But this isn't going to be sustainable in the long run. She is too dependent on you.
かんなぎ☆
Oh it ended. I enjoyed that story thanks Kirara and Blue
The first episode forebodingly said that protagonist-kun would have secret meetings with her, though. Hopefully it's just about how she can help her boyfriend though.
>>207955 Well I was just poting while /// posting while I had no power and I previously said that losing power would no longer be a problem! So I'm not sure!
>>207958 well if you ever want to hear my psychotic ramblings about futurism and technology and the posthuman brain and consciousness retrieval hit me up it's pretty much schizo drivel but i really believe in it
月
would you rather be passive aggressive or a healthy, well-adjusted individual
>>207961 I don't it'd be schizo drivel. most of my thoughts for the future are pretty underdeveloped. I just want to live forever and experience everything.. well some things not everything.
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
>I don't think this thing moon came up with is schizo drivel
月
scenario: meteors struck earth and deposited neurotoxic proteins in the atmosphere turning people into bloodthirsty zombie-like horrors you're holed up in a high-rise apartment in boston, doors nailed shut it's 105 degrees you have one moe of choice accompanying you you go to the freezer and there are two popsicles remaining one is watermelon and one is grape
which flavor do you take and which flavor do you give to the moe of your choice (no need to declare whom)
i need to go to the store to buy LIQUOR but i can't leave until this faggot ass cat comes back home and i can put it inside because i want to get DRUNK i've got work tomorrow though but i don't care
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
>>207978 you're my moe you and me are surviving the zombies together i'll get watermelon you get grape
and i won't make a racist comment about you not choosing watermelon
>>207981 As always, foods and food-flavored snacks should always be looked at separately Also, even though I didn't choose watermelon, I still took something that essentially tastes like the color Purple.
>>207991 i conceded at the time, recognizing that it wasn't my intent and later on you still went the extra few yards to make me feel bad it kind of hurt my feelings last night
>>208006 don't be sorry for that, but at least take it out in the proper setting as it happens not when i'm just trying to say hi and you bring it up later i've got brain problems it really confuses me
little trick i use to help is that in discreet, the e's are hidden by the t and in discrete, the e's are distinct from each other kinda fits in with the definitions of each
>>208015 You and her are going to get along so well!
>>208016 Well I told her that she should use her words even if it's hard I don't want to sit there and talk to her if I can't hear her voice If we're talking, I want to her /// hear her voice just like I want to see her face all the time
It's hard for me to communicate a lot of my feelings as well but I still say things even when they're embarrassing to her. err, embarrassing to me although i guess i say things that are embarrassing to her too
I embarrassed her so bad the other night It was great
>>208016 that's all i've done in the entire time i've known you why does it annoy you now answer honestly so i can get some useful feedback from this instead of be upset by it
>>208018 It's because I have a bitchy personality and I expect to be treated certain ways and it rubs me the wrong way when people don't treat me in those ways. I don't like stuff that catches me up in assumptions, I am happy to live about your love of dairy but it rubs me the wrong way when you act like I desperately want it because I don't. Your posts about me liking latinas also rubbed me the wrong way because I don't particularly like latinas but saying something about that would have fed the rika is racist meme.
I don't mind banter but that kind of posting that catches me up in assumptions that aren't true rubs me the wrong way.
But it's rude to say that I don't want to share milk with you, and it's rude to say that latinas are generally fat and obnixous.
>>208020 the dairy joke was a wordplay because you were being tsuntsun and i was gonna say i'm not gonna be dere but dere and dairy sound alike, and it's been kind of a long-running gag
and the latina thing isn't something that i thought you were racist about it come from a discussion we were having back a long time ago about how latinas are the only ones who can get away with wearing capris and another conversation about boots and the blue coat trend that's plaguing the twin cities area i was just making a joke about you being homo and liking those kinds of girls it really wasn't very sinister ive made the joke that you're into girls for like five years now and i didn't expect suddenly it would be harmful maybe i had poor execution but cut me some slack i'm really in stressful times atm
>>208020 Well, I enjoy seeing her no matter what, but seeing her embarrassed is really cute. She has such cute reactions that I can't help but tease her.
>>208028 calling you gay? i don't think there's anyone i haven't called gay, you dont have to refute that i didn't actually have any racial undertones if there was then i'm sorry for the misunderstanding
>>208032 hmm, not particularly that, other people do it too, like dutch and sugoi. It's more the style of posting, that kind of stuff that works from the assumption that I'm super jealous about the fact that you drink a gallon of milk and stuff like that. Those underlying assumptions bother me.
I fucked up my google. the search results are coming back in English, Japanese and Spanish. All weird like some of them will have english, others in Japanese. but how is the spanish or whatever coming from.
My google is like search results from shitty bing.
>>208033 ive never assumed that... like i said i was just making the dairy wordplay on dairy err on dere of tsundere
i guess i think i see what you mean though, in retrospect of what i think you're talking about and i'm sorry, i really didn't mean something like that
i only even talked about milk a lot because it was helping me quit drinking and was kind of helpful as a distraction to talk about how much i enjoy drinking milk instead of alcohol
>>208035 I mean it's fine, you didn't do anything wrong. It's fully the fault of my bad personality. I just get bitchy when I'm treated in ways that I don't like to be treated.
If I don't like something I'll usually never mention it unless I am super annoyed. The only time I have got super annoyed on moe was arguing with TN about reglion. *religion
>>208039 I don't know if that's true, I have very high standards for how people treat me and get disgruntled if they violate them.
>>208040 That's okay. Like I said I wasn't really mad, just feeling a bit tsun. Disgruntled is probably the right English word for that. But you didn't do anything wrong.
>>208044 Having high standards of being treated well is just a rich person thing It's fine
月
>>208046 quarx (somewan) was posting about feeling strange and i was trying to ask him to do something to check if he was having a heatstroke and whether he needed to go to the hospital and you posted about something else and i told you to hang on and not flood up the thread because it was potentially serious and you told me to go fuck off with thinking i'm hot shit because i'm not a doctor and i told you to shut the fuck up for once in your life and you told me i was an arrogant faggot and to go eat a cunt
Well I could see myself saying that but I don't really remember. I don't think // atleast I think I would have been worried about somewan, I don't think Iwould have flooded a thread with someone discussing something serious. At least I hope not.
月
i sometimes correct my own mental history to make it more entertaining the event happened but i'm not sure the words that were exchanged
>>208044 i feel like you've judged me as a totally different kind of person than i am, but i dunno i'm having trouble trying to stay myself lately so i appreciate more candidness and dialogue when appropriate, if you can afford it
>>208054 I don't think I misunderstand what kind of person you are. It's not really your intent that matters, it's how something makes me feel.
To be honest I don't even often think about your intent, I only think about a person's intent when I'm trying to predict their behavior and I don't try predicting your behavior so because I won't get it right no matter how I try.
>>208056 you say that but you assume i'm making assumptions when i even mention dairy or latinas it's really pretty clear that you do filter what's coming in in that way and that's okay but just try to reciprocate mayber or communicate i don't know don't stress me out though
>>208057 Those statements are usually built upon the assumption that I want your dairy. Like I said, it's being treated certain ways that makes me feel huffy.
>>208061 What I remember from that situation is that you had milk and you were treating me like I was super jealous and wanted it, and all that rubbed me the wrong way.
you said you were being tsuntsun to me and i wasn't going to be deredere to you so you couldn't have my dairy it's just a play on words like "water you doin" it's fuckin stupid i know yeah but it bring me enjoyment to make stupid wordplay jokes it makes me feel like i can have fun for once in my shitty life
>>208065 i said i wouldn't share my dere (dairy) with you even if you wanted it i figured you'd know what i meant but you were upset before that and i don't really know what i did latina girls wearing capris or booty shorts with the ipad armband and sports bra are like a lesbian meme so are the minnesota girls wearing brown scarf, blue jacket, midcalf boots with thick leggings
it was just me calling you gay and then, when you were being upset, me trying to lighten the pressure with wordplay i really don't like being misunderstood even if it's something small and insignificant
>>208068 This dairy stuff happened awhile ago, I think.
I don't really know about lesbian memes or anything like that. I just react to everything in the moment without greater appreciation of context most of the time.
>>208071 i told you "don't get too jealous" when i said my jeans didn't fit anymore and you asked if i went overboard with the milk and gained a few too many pounds was that what you meant? i didn't really have any meaning for that i was just trying to think up some witty response and i didn't have any
i don't really wanna have conflict on /moe/ it's my safe space from other drama at the moment my apologies if i did something inconsiderate, i probably thought it was funny and didn't realize potential malice
>>208072 Maybe, I just can't remember very well other than that something about dairy annoyed me. Anyway, like I said, it's not your fault it's just a product of my personality. You didn't do anything wrong. Sorry for hurting your feelings yesterday.
Koi-
>Jagen hitting for 50+ damage with these Blade Tomes
>>208087 you say you have standards about how you're treated but i don't treat you badly i was treating you in a friendly manner a little shitposty but we're on a message board i treat you pretty respectfully and make friendly little jabs only in ways that i think are fun or appropriate if i misjudge that and hit a sore spot, try to be understanding that i didn't mean to i do the best i can, really
>>208063 it's a nice rain it's raining so hard and there's lightning and thunder like a million billion bombs! It's not as comfy as I'd like but it's not bad
Jan has a Kirara-themed case of 20oz coca colas at his 7/11.
He pulled some out and my name, Fish's name, and Fish's nickname were all together.
Now he just found my name and Teacup's name together, too.
All from the same case of cokes!
Maria
>>208078 This song is so comfy. Persona 5 really gets rain right. It's not just the rain filter, it's the slight grey tint, everyone getting out umbrellas, and water running down the street
>>208089 If games were made not for money but just to tell stories what a wonderful world we would have! >>208090 Bathrooms are great places to close up in. I've spent so long closed up them with the lights off, reading my the ambient light. >>208092 The world needs to be free! Food should be everywhere and free!
Do these things really speak? that feels so fake but it is a little amusing.
Anno
They mimic sounds in the fashion that sounds like they're saying a coherent English short collection of words. To say they speak is a bit of a leap in assuming they know what they're saying.
Too bad stuff like that doesn't get translated. It looks like it is using the world of tanks engine.
かんなぎ☆
Sometimes they do get translated. I think GuP is popular enough. I would not be suprised if it was the World of Tanks engine since that game has partnership with GuP for a while with tank voice packs of the girls and the tanks designs in the game.
>>208107 Yeah, I bet it's GuP running on the World of Tanks engine. The tanks and terrain looks a lot like WoT. It looks like they have spiced up the physics and explosions to make it feel more anime.
It would be really nice if it were translated, I would love to play it.
Maria
>>208102 This is the sorta game where you can get by just stumbling through the menus Go online and teach the Japanese not to underestimate us gaijin!
Communism either hits you all at once or not at all
I've always been fairly left, I've just not seen capitalism as possible to eliminate to begin with So I've always been predisposed to it, I've always been aware that the good things about Norway are due to exploiting other countries and their people I just haven't considered it avoidable, because capitalism was here to stay, and that means you just have to make sure you get the best out of it, and fuck everyone else
I'm glad the people I interact with like you guys and dutchfriend aren't actually commies though Cause it's good for me to have opposition of anything I say
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
can't wait to seize the means of production gonna go kill some capitalists and steal their means of production
>>208145 I may be hard to protect! I haven't played in a long time either. I played mostly tanks that took a lot of hits well. Medium tanks with good armor mostly.
>>208150 Are you not fustrated, or ironically not frustrated?
once you get your commie shit going, your government should hire me to create a psychological testing instrument to differentiate capitalists from communists
I'll definitely put in a good word for you in Socialist Norway if and when it happens, if I have the opportunity You can come hang out and do rehabilitationary work and stuff, it's gonna be real cool
Communism isn't happening in either of our lives though
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
well i guess there won't be much of a government after the commie shit goes hard
Commies are a little divided on it Cause it is a little socialist They're like, a little of both They've got private and public industry mixed into eachother >>208206 Being communist means nobody isn't communist
War thunder is pretty fun. and not as big as WoT I think. well it is pretty big.
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
>>208203 being socialist means you're not communist
china's investments and stuff alone prove that it's not communist
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
plus they actively import poverty from capitalist nations and run sweatshops where people are worked to death and don't have access to the fruit of their labor
The problem with communism is that even if 100% of the people calling the shots are LITERALLY MARX HIMSELF, that doesn't mean the government can be communist It'll be socialist, because there ARE capitalist countries out there, and the people want the stuff they produce >>208209 >BETTER ANIMAL Now I'm mad
moon
Yo can you pick a better animal
moon
>>208208 Well im pissef at raccoons a group of them just killed a litter of feral kittens in my yard last night
>>208207 Yeah that's true A lot of commies are telling me NK isn't actually as bad as they want you to think, either, but I dunno man I'm not sold on that one
Cuba seems to be doing real well though
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
>>208220 people from NK escape and talk about how fuckin terrible it is all the time
Cuba's good yeah although they don't want you to know that
>>208221 It's easy to MAKE a nation be shit by fucking with their trade It sucks to be in NK, but that doesn't necessitate it being the government's fault
Is the idea anyway Again I'm not sold on this
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
NK's situation is absolutely the government's fault lol
>>208230 And communism will never be real. Your criticism of North Koea is that the Kims are just dictators wearing the masks of communists, and that will always be the case with communism. There will always be rulers and those rules will always be dictators.
For it to be any other way would require something ridiculous to happen, which is for people to organize something to topple the government and then disband their party/government once they do it. People don't act like that. People don't give up power just because.
sk
>>208238 This is a lack of faith in our species that I can not tolerate I can not be this pessimistic towards humanity
but yeah even if marx comes back to life with engels in toe it won't matter because if he leads a revolution a capitalist or tyrant will kill them and take over and ruin the revolution
>>208258 Yeah gee who would think the systems that were EVEN WORSE than capitalism also had poverty that's it I guess capitalism is the best
For fuck's sake we had SLAVERY after capitalism showed up, too, does that mean it's FINE that we had slavery because "other systems had it"? Does it mean it's NECESSARY to have slavery?
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
capitalism is going back to feudalism though it's heading towards a combo
>>208263 Yeah, that's going to happen too. I don't think this is a conversation about whether capitalism is good or bad, though. This is a conversation about how communism misunderstands human nature.
>>208260 I don't think it's necessary to have slavery, no.
>>208267 This is a naive statement. Humans aren't all that moldable. Whether you want to call it God's design or the rules of nature, there are definitely ways in which humans behave.
sk
>>208265 But slavery was here after feudalism AND in feudalism It's necessary Rika! We can't get rid of it!
>>208270 Slavery existed for a very brief window in western civilization before it was done away with. I don't really see what slavery has to do with anything anyway. It was an import from the third world well what would become the third world as well.
>the entire planet is based on capitalism "Oh no humans are naturally capitalistic it has nothing to do with GROWING UP IN AND NEEDING TO CONFORM TO CAPITALISM JUST TO FUCKING SURVIVE!"
>>208293 I don't dispute the need for criminal justice reform. I don't think communism is the answer.
>>208292 Huh? I never said that we should have slavery.
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
i don't know of any institutions in which convicts are forced to work
sk
Are they punished more severely if they choose not to?
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
no and if they do, they get paid even if it's barely a pay
Maria
It's probably better to have convicts work and possibly learn skills instead of just letting them mill around all day and fight each other because they have nothing better to do
>>208303 Yeah, they have the option of working. What's wrong with that? Punishing criminals and taking their rights away is different than slavery, though.
>>208307 What kind of assertion is that? We only lock people up when they've been found guilty of a crime. Well, therei s awhile before a trial that people are held, but they're held in jails and don't have prison labor in jails.
>>208310 That's a crime in America. But in most places it's a misdemeanor, you don't go to prison for it.
sk
I don't recognize smoking a joint as a crime
Anno
>>208309 → >>208309 → Feel free to maintain the current discussion going on in this thread, but this is another thread.
In fact please maintain the current discussion going on in this thread, and not the other thread.
The whole "prison labor -> slavery" thing lies almost entirely on them not getting paid or getting paid like .10 an hour. Just pay them money Of course, if you paid them money, you probably wouldn't want to bother using them.
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
>>208324 haha no they don't not always lots of them don't
you learned SKILLED labor in a lot of prisons, too welding how to work on cars
at the jail i recently went to, the prisoners were able to learn how to train dogs
>let's make the prisons earn even more money off the backs of their inmates >prisons are one of the top employers in the US THIS CAN'T POSSIBLY GO SOUTH
I think you should be as kind to your taxpayers as possible. Letting people leech off them is bad. Prisons should try to be as self-sufficient as possible to lessen the load on taxpayers.
Even if you operate under the assumption that Communism is in place and is actually working, some amount of labor will be required to keep the prisons running and it's not really fair to make the productive members of your society take care of the leeches.
i don't think our prison system is horrible but it definitely needs some fundamental changes the biggest problems with the prison system start at the judiciary system though and both our judiciary/legal system and prison system are very good at making people money that is the biggest problem there is too much profit to be made and little reason to actually help people
>>208357 That's a bit of assumption, where did I say that?
sk
You're a capitalist
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
>>208361 ?????????????????????????????????????????????? why would you kill him before you try rehab
sk
It doesn't MATTER what kind of system you put in place under capitalism Gradually, the people who do not work WILL starve This isn't up for debate, it's an objective fact
Maria
>>208364 I mean what if he's REALLY unlucky and gets wrongfully convicted TWICE
>>208370 What sorta crimes get rehab Eventually I think you get to the point where you're just stiffing the victim Like if someone cut my arm off, then yeah it's all handy dandy that the guy isn't cutting anymore arms off, but frankly I feel entitled to a little revenge.
>>208360 That's exactly what makes them horrible. That very last line. We have incentive to not help people. Not simply, little incentive to help them, but incentive to NOT help them.
>>208377 Okay, well perfect capitalism has never been attempted either. My system is better than yours even though nothing has ever existed for me to back it up.
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
true capitalism has been attempted, it's called the 1800s and early 1900s
The Republic envisioned by the founding fathers is pretty much the perfect society. It's a shame that there were so many compromises and hard realities along the way. That's generally how these things go though.
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
WAIT THE WORKERS ARE THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION
sk
>>208386 They are in some sense A means of production, yeah
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
>>208385 but they didn't account for the things that are causing problems today they thought people would be reasonable and rational but also thought poor people weren't actually people generally
>>208385 Game Design 101 is don't marry your babies. Which sounds really weird on its own. Who marries their baby? But that's exactly the thing. You come up with something. Think it perfect. It grows. And you realize you dun fucked up somewhere.
>>208396 >>208394 I didn't say humans were naturally evil. Humans are naturally certain ways that keep these idealistic systems from working.
>>208399 No, I said that humans will not give up political power generally, and will not disband their political parties once they've taken power. That isn't evil.
sk
YOU DID SAY THAT
sk
>it's not evil to continue to creating poverty despite a complete lack of incentive to OK rika but I think that's literally the definition of evil
>>208403 I think you can find basic greed in any society, can't you? Perhaps not in small tribes, but those are generally better described as families rather than communities.
>>208401 What? Like I told you, poverty is better described as scarcity and scarcity will ALWAYS exist.
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
>>208404 sure, but that doesn't mean they're greedy enough to fuck each other over
tribes are objectively communities they typically had thousands of people
かんなぎ☆
I don't trust humans but think that is just me, I don't think humans have natural propensity to evil. It actually makes more sense for them to work together to form working communities. and some people in those communities are bad I think. after those communities are sufficiently developed.
sk
>>208404 Poverty is created You know that, too Because you recognize Africa is poor
What is their scarcity? What resource does the NUMBER ONE RESOURCE BANK OF THE WORLD lack?
>>208405 You can't really boil this down to "people screwing each other". The fundamental problem with Communism is that there will always be a ruling class.
Do you disagree with this notion?
sk
YES YOU CAN
かんなぎ☆
But we'd have that terrible game if we had capitalism! Game 27
sk
I do There certainly always will be one under capitalism, sure
>>208407 Africa really is the land of plenty. The land there has always been able to support the native population. Many of Africa's current issues revolve around the population explosion it is currently experiencing.
Maria
>>208407 Probably the capital and infrastructure nessecary to utilise those resources
>>208410 I don't disagree with that. I don't believe communism is possible either.
But the fact remains, the things you consider human nature, are primarily the product of european society. They weren't common in Native American society until the Europeans brought them here.
>>208416 Don't you think it's kind of basic human nature that there will always be a ruling class in any society? Any large, successful society has always had rules. rulers that is.
>>208419 Well, I would argue that Native American society falls into that blurry space between "society" and "family". The rulers in Native American society were old and experienced members of the tribes. The tribes were all related to each other closely genetically.
If you want to ask if a tribe is more like a family than a nation, I think it would fall more on the family side?
>>208421 They had nations and families. There were tribes comprised of many, many different families which previously made up different tribes. There were united nations of tribes.
Literally all you need to be a commie is Not thinking capitalism is better than communism if it was possible And You don't need anyone exploiting others for the society to function
That's all you need If you buy into both, you are a commie
This is part of why people claiming they're of "so-and-so" tribe because of blood is not as accurate. Because it's not blood that lands you into a tribe but your connection to the tribe itself. It's not "family".
>>208423 But they were still very small on the scale compared to something like the USA or USSR, and they were genetically homogeneous. I agree that there is some room for argument here, but you can't really compare them to large nations.
>>208432 No, generally not. When it did happen, grievences were made and everyone would work together to solve the problem and come to a solution that everyone could work with.
That is - until the Europeans came over and changed everything.
かんなぎ☆
The Japanese feudal society was super different too. Everything was worked towards the good of the people and land. even the lords had to work hard to ensure their land and people were manged correctly or they'd have to commit sudoku.
>>208433 Let's not act like we're on /pol/. I didn't say that. I think it's kind of a given that homogeneous societies are a little easier to run.
>>208434 I don't really know enough about the native americans to speak too intelligently on the topic. I think it's human nature for people to need rulers though, and that it's kind of a pipe dream to expect people to take power and then disband their political parties and governments. It's just not the way people work.
sk
YOu implied it
sk
And you're correct, as long as capitalism persists
Maria
>>208431 Yeah but England was an industrial super power. That's a hell of a lot closer to the ussr or usa than native americans
>>208440 We're talking about size of a people here.
The Iroquois League was pretty massive at one point and did not have the problems of capitalist society.
>>208436 Yes, they need rulers. Do you know what rulers in native american societies do? They work.
When Chief Washakie of the Shoshone was challenged, having been told he was too old to rule, he left the reservation at age 70+ and came back several days later with the scalps of bandits. Native American rulers went fucking HARD and worked hard and were generally very kind to their people.
Koi-
>>208440 In industry but in terms of scale of size is different
>>208442 >>208446 I appreciate your respect for native american cultures, but is this really a viable model to be applying to large nations? Isn't being the rule of a large nation a full time job?
>>208450 Well, I don't know enough about native american society to argue about this intelligently. I don't really think that communism can work because of the obstacles posed by human nature.
but I guess if you guys don't believe in human nature,that's fine
I just don't believe it's inherently super greedy.
Moreover, I'm getting kind of upset by the way you keep addressing me. You keep acting like I'm arguing for communism or supporting communism or something. I'm not. I don't.
>>208458 I never said it was super greedy. I just said that there will always be leaders.
I mean, the thing I'm attempting to discuss is why communism won't work. And you kind of jumped in! I try not to get dragged too off topic during debates so I'm just naturally trying to float back to the topic.
>>208464 Kinda funny how greed has messed up every attempt at communism too, huh?
>>208466 I would submit to you that it is human nature, though. People will always act in their self-interest. I don't think that's evil, it's just natural.
>>208467 Yeah, but you just completely ignored everything I said now. You might not know about Native Americans, but you're not even considering the possibility that any of it might have any validity whatsoever. You're acting like I just sat there and spouted bullshit at you.
>>208470 I mean, I accept what you said, but I don't know anything about Native American society so I can't really speak intelligently about it. I would argue that there were probably factors in that society that led to them making decisions in the way that they did. But I don't know anything. When I said that their society was more like a family than a nation, I got slam dunked on my face. That's not a comfortable position to be in, so all I can really do is say that I accept what you said, but I still don't think that I'm wrong.
>>208480 I'm not mad. I just don't think this will go anywhere. All I can do is regurgitate the same points over and over again and it won't go anywhere, so I'm going to go do something else. I'm not mad or anything I appreciate your consideration for my feelings though
I didn't say that humans were evil. You're just interpreting my argument that way because you've decided that every behavior that doesn't align with your ideals is evil.
>>208494 It displays a fundamental misunderstanding of human behavior. People are mostly not even, even if they make a lot of mistakes and don't know how to do a lot of things right.
I wouldn't call that a misunderstanding of human behavior. i'd call it an opinion. A belief.
sk
No, I fully understand what she's saying I'm saying she's arguing humans WILL create suffering in other people, if given power, even if it doesn't benefit themselves I am sayin that is evil If you disagree with that, YOU are evil
People are complex. You'll never understand them if you boil it all down like that. Behaviors are complex.
>>208499 I said that's how people are. I didn't really bother with the moral judgment. People will behave in their own self-interest most of the time. They will set self-interest aside when they are sufficiently comfortalbe. It's not good or evil, it's just the nature of the world we live in.
>>208502 What? I never said that people are supervillains who will create suffering for no good reason.
sk
> even if it doesn't benefit themselves read the whole sentence, at least god fucking damnit
No? Just that people won't give up power. And if they did for some reason, someone else would come to fill up the power vacuum. There will always be a Stalin.
Sometimes that person has good intentions.
>>208505 The end goal of power is more power, of course. That's just how these things work. People need leaders.
sk
Why won't socialist governments give up their power once nobody is non-socialist anymore?
sk
You have a fundamental misunderstanding about socialism
The ENTIRE point Is that the government is only necessary, not benefitting
Provided nobody fucks over the country externally, a socialist government will literally step down on its own And that's why it will once capitalism is eliminated
>>208506 And you fundamentally misunderstand the human spirit. Specifically, the qualiy of ambition. Some people have a fire in them. They won'r be happy until they rise to the top.
かんなぎ☆
People are difficult. It is scary because it hard to tell what they think and feel. everything is inside. I wonder how it would be if humans couldn't think internally and had to verbalise everything out in the open.
>>208518 You don't have to make any kind of explanation like that to me. I understand you well enough. My views on a lot of things have evolved because I am at a point where I feel like I need to know a lot more things. That said, my dread remains constant.
>>208519 I'm not going to lie, I think it's the sort of thing that you will really really really like. Then again, it's pretty American. And focuses on an American viewpoint.
I don't want to say where I am specifically because I don't know exactly where. The best I can say is that I believe in Black liberation. and not capitalist. I don't know if I'm communist. socialism is probably close but I also don't know how much I'm aligned. But it's likely. >>208535 The understanding of white supremacist norms and the unlearning of its general practices As well as other forms of supremacy concerning gender, sex, etc. And the empowerment and fulfillment of the same
かんなぎ☆
I ignore thread changes when I'm actively discussing things
I want liberation for all people, too That's why I'm a commie But that doesn't tell you anything because the most hardcore capitalist will tell you private property is what freedom is
What I MEAN when I say that is I want those who work to OWN the fruit of their labor, I want complete abolishment of wages as a concept, and I want a society where services and goods are rendered not for gain, but out of a wish to all put in some work for the collective
かんなぎ☆
I would be happy with a small society with lots of freedom of movement and freedom to be alone.
>>208536 Are you asking me for the bullet points of things to actually change? That's my problem, I don't have a full itemized list. I'm not well-read in all of these social issues. You guys hit prison reform though.
sk
No I mean What do you actually mean when you say black liberation? Is it just that you see black people suffering and want it to stop, or do you have an end goal in mind, like "black people being able to find employment in \\\ at the same rate as white people"? Because the thing is Liberation is a word used by both sides
Liberation to a commie is the ABOLISHMENT of employment
I don't like the word employment because that's incredibly specific to how the work force is handled right now. That's why I say fulfillment. Racism is a thing that probably won't go away within the lifetime of my grandchildren, god willing. But it's something that definitely needs to be understood, acknowledged, and worked on. Of course, a big problem is people being unwilling to even notice that in themselves.
I don't think racism will be so easy to gut under other systems because of how it functions. Hold on. Let me take something really quick. Here we are I'll take this from Yuu. >People will behave in their own self-interest most of the time. They will set self-interest aside when they are sufficiently comfortalbe. and also this > power is a self-reinforcing thing. It's the nature of power.
Now, I don't believe that this is "human nature" but I think it's something that's very easily imprinted. We say "self-interest" but humans work as units most of the time, the issue is really "at what scale of a unit". ...Let me actually speed this up before I get too winded. Racism isn't a mental disease, it's a method of survival. It allows you to empower yourself AND those who you care about through isolating others from part of the system. The reason why racism is a direct result of capitalism is because letting more people into the system makes it harder for you to succeed in capitalism. More possible workers, less possible slots to fill. You care about you and your family and friends. So you will utilize methods to empower them.
I think humans always make a big deal of anyone who is different. so I think racism won't go away nor all the division we make of each other. like people being fat, or virgins, or being smart or dumb or blonde or ginger nationalities and religions
No seriously commies are way more diverse than I thought before I actually went red
I've said this before though, I've always actually been really red
There's a lot of commies who'll tell you ALL drug use is enabling the boushies And there's a lot of commies who are pro drugs entirely I'm the latter, but I agree with the arguments of the first to some extent They're not talking about the end goal, they mean right now
sk
>>208548 Racism will always exist, but not in the way we think of it Yes, things like BBC fetishes or whatever, observations about the differences will always exist But we won't have oppression
>>208546 First of all, if all humans worked in their own self interest all the time, rationally, we wouldn't be having this conversation because the world would already have had a million independent socialist revolutions
sk
Like whether you agree with communism or not It's in the self interest of the workers to ice the employer and use their position to seize their workplace ALL the employer is providing is taking a cut of their wages
Whether it'd work or not long run isn't relevant here If it hadn't, I obviously wouldn't be a commie If it did, we wouldn't be discussing politics because politics wouldn't exist
>>208546 I don't know, I feel like their are lots of cruel act that have nothing to do with surivial tactics. *acts That have nothing to do with empowered your family and just exerting a sense of power of others when you have none yourself or are just evil acts
>>208546 Yeah, basically That's why both I and TN are or were nationalists, at the end of the day I'm not anymore, but he probably is, and I'm pretty sure for him it also stems from a compassion for workers Immigration is a right wing policy
All of this said, I think commies ascribe too much intelligence to capitalism The boushies didn't CREATE racism with the knowledge that it would make it easier to control the populace It happened They benefit, but they aren't necessarily aware of it and keeping it going for any purpose, because at the end of the day they are individuals
>>208554 There are those who are malicious, yes. But the seed of it all was survival. In a system where your work is how you survive, more competition harms you. Instilling fear through whatever means all added up to being able to achieve that sense of security. It's even more necessary BECAUSE of the situation that brought them into where they were. Early settlers showed up, killed natives, captured Africans, and forced them to work on their lands. They know their own history from their own lens. And their history is violence against those you see as below you. That's ingrained in American survival. If you don't unlearn that, you're essentially trapped into needing to overpower others. Because your belief is that equal footing with others invites that kind of thing.
The muslim thing isn't about race It's really not That's a fear of what the ideology is doing everywhere it shows up
Muslims aren't bad people Islam is bad And allowing people to come in who practice islam is a risk because you can't know what extent they are practicing it in advance That's why we're both very against muslim immigration We both know the majority of these people are good people, but far more of them than any other demographic do shit we don't accept at all
>>208556 The settlers also had a sense that they as the superior race had to teach and carry all others into civility and most of their acts were digusting brutal and absolutely ruined cultures and societies The British Empire is a horrible agent of that.
Islam isn't intrinsically bad. There are fucked up people though. But that's the thing about a minority religion moving through a warzone. Things like that get incredibly serious.
sk
Islam as far as it's practiced It doesn't really matter that the religion itself isn't inherently awful I think it IS, but that's not the point The point is Muslims have a much higher incidence of thinking rape is fine, thinking MURDER is fine, thinking throwing acid in someone's face is fine This isn't racism This is a fear of my own country's people becoming unsafe
before the islamic terrorism people didn't seem to have the same problems they do now.
with islam.
かんなぎ☆
I think you are confusing a particular group of people that practice islam with the wider group. people from a specific geographical location with a specific level of education and society. >>208567 I am confused.
And I can't really blame you for that When there's no real way to tell,, what the hell are you supposed to do, man? This goes against my ideals, too, that's why it's fucking hard to deal with
Establish a system that protects all those who are vulnerable. keyword: all Honestly, you should just learn from literally every other marginalized group. Because that's just how we feel about white people. There is no amount of words that any of you, even the ones who want to sound and act reasonable about it, can give me to convince me that there isn't some sense of racism in you. That's just how you're all built. And yet, I can still navigate and find ways. Biggest joke is that white people have all the power in the world, not even as a joke, and you can't figure out how the fuck to figure this out. Power itself blinds. Or I guess, being blind is both a privilege and a power.
>>208573 Blame your society. >>208577 Guess what, I was built that way too. Marginalized people aren't even immune to it. We're incentivized to buy into it because it makes us "worthy" of attention. I think the word Kirara and Yuu used the other day was "safe". I'm a "safe" person.
I like the idea of just existing away from all this like being a satilite just absorbing information miles away or just interacting in an online world. Humanity is horrible.
>>208576 I'm not really trying to get involved in this discussion, I just wanted to make a bad joke about that line but that sounds like something they would say yeah
I think you're a great person. I don't know how to properly approach things like these. I think everything in the world is just difficult, I can't understand why we separate ourselves so much. why we make such big deals about things.
>>208582 I told you, didn't I? Survival Comfort. And for some, luxury. As far as how to approach it goes, just listening works. At least as far as I know right now. there's not much I can tell you to do. >>208593 I will.
I don't know, I feel like we'd survive a lot better if we worked together. and as for comfort I don't get the impulse that makes people feel discomfort.
>>208592 Kirara is the master of Native American culture so you can ask him about that, but as far as the documented history of European culture and some African cultures, there was war. And they fought it out. Conquest was a thing that they did. And they got good at it, and spread out and kept doing it. When they finally reached a place where they felt "maybe this is fucked up", the world was already changed for it. Our history has pulled us into places where we have to tackle social problems that we have with each other that were directed by people who have long died or are staying quiet about it until they die. Some people want to survive, some people want to survive WITHOUT THOSE PEOPLE. Because THOSE PEOPLE can't be trusted. Why? History got us all fucked up
Oh do keep in mind its a commie podcast So you might not agree with the conclusions made, but maybe the criticisms at least? I'm interested anyt Anyway
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>>208597 i just got back otherwise i would have been happy to engage this topic you aint botherin no one i dont think
>>208594 I honestly feel like it is too strange, like any reasonable human being can learn to evalute people on a individual basis, anybody can see that stereotypes and generalisations can be wildly false.
月
>>208571 #truth what bothers me the most is white people trying to help black people they're like cripples on the dance floor who just make things awkward for both sides how you gonna try and run up on some folk and pretend like you understand them when you dont something i told kirara in the elevator in nevada was that i don't deny being racist and i recognize that i, and my demographic, look down on blacks simply because of the fact that it's the only angle we can have on the black community we can't look at them as equals because there's not equality there the opportunities, availabilities, and support structures aren't in place for it to be in any way equal so don't treat people like your equal when they're not admit you're looking down on them, and admit that it's not a white man's job to come in and fix things
i actually have no idea what this discussion was about i may be rambling about something completely off-topic
>>208607 Remember when Nine and Ten were talking about the scarcity of time? In general, people fear death among other things and there is much to do in the limited amount of time that we have. The power in generalizations and stereotypes is that it gives you a very easy look into a large space. From there, you can then dive deeper at your own pace. But quite often you don't have the resources. It takes time to do that. Furthermore, a lot of those kinds of things also revolve around survival. The sort of general fear that people have of spiders, snakes, and pitbulls. Same thing with people. They don't have the time to evaluate all of those individual people. And even if they tried, they probably wouldn't understand. Misunderstandings born from cultural differences and other similar problems. It's hard. Legitimately hard. But you gotta do the work to solve social problems.
>>208608 I don't think it has a very specific topic? I think. >>208610 There // humanity split themselves up in so many different groups and fucks each other up so badly. I can't help but feel like it so bad for survival.
Not even just racism but just differencies of idelogy is or religion is enough for huge wars and fucked up shit, how can people not step back but I think ..
ah, I feel like the world is fucked up by short sightedness and people who wish ill.
>>208613 Juice is amazing. >>208608 There are things that only white people can change. But they're very often bad at that. And yes, they fuck up in what exactly should be fixed too.
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>>208614 there are things white people are trying to change but shouldn't be meddling in either fuckin don't go meddling with a people whose cultural structure is different than yours to white folks, church is a place to go do gossip and organize book clubs they don't understand a culture where communion is actually about the community, or why anyone would be afraid of bureaucratic assistance programs headed by a committee of old white board members
i really think those // that one client did a number on my belief systems i did like a hundred of those things they were the coolest shit
>>208611 The world has given up on saving everyone Or I guess I can say that it never had any intention on saving everyone. it's just empires among empires against empires That shortsightedness is actually a clear decision to protect "its own" from "others".
I feel a really strong level of disconnect in a way. I've never had any significant strong attachments to society or culture. I know I have social difficulties and it is because my autism, it feels a little arrogant to say that.
I feel like the only perfect society would be a one that is devoid of culture and wild emotion.
>>208615 One of the benefits of having a church organization has scattered as mine is being able to see and hear about the different experiences from other churches. I've experienced white church, black church, and hispanic church in the span of seven days. And I've also experienced the utter ridiculousness of its bureaucracy. That said, one thing that I understand from the white church side is that the non-white church sides are often seen as like... novelties. We spice things up. VERY noticeably. The constant joke between my group with Piano and my other friends is that we clap on the 2 and 4 as if we were madmen. That's on the very light side but there's just... all those other minor things that I can't really explain right now as I still haven't really mulled over why they made me feel uncomfortable but I know it exists.
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i've been to a white baptist church that had about six families total in it, and scattered individuals, mostly sick and disabled everyone took care of each other it was a farming community though also people struggling to get through each day, so everyone helped everyone
but I even then I don't know how to interact with people. I don't actually get small talk all that well. Like I can talk if it is a topic but just meaningless small talk is tricky.
I also find it hard to make friends, Well hm
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>>208619 >time for some christian melodies *cranks spice girls up to 11*
>>208622 diagnoses aren't very good all the time you're too empathetic to have autism i think that you're just very anxious and have some family stress issues. i did too and i had a really hard time opening up it took a long time and a lot of work but i did it, to some extent at least i am what i am on here, which i think is pretty sociable i think you can too i don't think you're on the autism spectrum. i think you were probably just a scaredy cat kid like i was and that gave a lot of false flags
>>208625 Definately. >>208624 I feel like I am autistic, I see some people who are difinately autistic, they share a lot things I have but have it worse in some ways or better in others. like some can't control their volume or make very awkward moments. But they can social way beyond what I am capable. It is hard to discribe.
My mom was recently diagnosised with high function autism as well and she and I are super similar. We act really similar about a lot of things and get confused by behavours the same too
>>208619 ive been to black churches in southern alabama haha also to a fisherman's church in alabama like straight up every individual there was a fisherman out on the seas like 3 days at a time i've been to lots of churches man they're all a hoot
I wasn't about to bring my insecurities about society over there.
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i'll stay here if you want to chat i'm just a lowly shaman though i just hear what people say and say them back in different words and see if they still make sense and if so then it means i understand them
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>>>/soundcloud/oypoolboy/shooting-parks I'll post this here because I think you two are the only ones on right now that would appreciate it on any level at all
>>208657 I just want to have naive hopes too. I wish I could afford to have naive hopes for the future. I wish I didn't have incentive for people to die for things to change.
I fear people living forever via tech. That's one of things about 17776 that I liked. People just 'gained' it. No one labored for it. No one did the work. And so, no one can monopolize it Or exploit it. It would be nice to get it but I get bothered by the thought of it happening by human hands.
>>208683 17776 was a great story but i've been obsessed with posthumanism for years now my vision isn't at all like that we're not going to live forever with tech taking care of us we are the technology the world we will live in is embedded in the conceptual substrate which we've manifested through technology we're still the sole proprietors and workforce of the cutting edge
the relationship between technology and humanism is really complicated and i think a lot of people misunderstand what it even means
No, see, I mean, that too. Us being the technology sounds cool but the transition period of adoption is where the fner details happen. and it's where shit can get bad. I understand that 17776 had nanos, but if you were to suppose that they didn't even need those. Like getting hit by a stick didn't actually harm or bother you in any way somehow. There's just this "gift" of immortality. That's cool and good because it's just given to everyone who existed at x point in time. But a transition into transhumanism via tech created by people would have lots of issues. Like "how are we going to continue to make these?" "Do you have the capital?, Do you need more? Are there contracts involved in taking on your new cyber means of existence? What if you had to work it off? It's the kind of thing where it just SOUNDS COOL but the process of getting to the end can be FAR FROM COOL and it ends up taking away from how COOL the final step becomes.
>>208686 these are pretty valid questions i'm actually trying to put together some of the equilibrium charts even participating in the posthuman experience makes you a valuable asset. it's not something you'd have to pay off because it's an inherently valuable investment datamining is the future we're going to want to preserve every bit of data we currently have, and then even dig into the past and dig up that data and part of the posthuman experience is recognizing that our body isn't really a container of us i mean, if you look at it, we already have two brains that work together (and sometimes separately) to form what we perceive as a conscious experience, and each of the brains has a whole bunch of factors competing for ideation the consciousness we feel isn't mapped to our bodies exclusively they're dependent on environment in the same way that the regions of our brains assimilate different signals with varying values the individual and their brain and the interaction with others does the same and form an overarching consciousness, no less alive than our own bodies the issue is really an I/O feedback issue. there's a lot of lag. there are a lot of things going on to try to improve that, like musk wants to get neuralace going my interest is more in the platforming, to provide mutual consciousness platforms
the work of about a dozen people in tandem functioning as a single brain gets a lot done very fast people are a valuable resource in the future for our raw computing power we actually are a lot more complicated than the simple neural networks that we can make digitally
if/when it happens, I just want it to be applied properly. Properly probably isn't a good word. The best systems are the systems that protect themselves from failure. But this outlook is inherently flawed in relation to human society because a system that puts the system over its people is likely to exploit those people. If I'm to take the earlier discussion and apply it to this, capitalism is seen as a good system in that capitalism protects itself very well by incentivizing even the worst kinds of behaviors in people, even if they come at the expense of other people within that system. It sustains itself first and foremost. The people within it are second. And that's problematic. Same thing with a movement like this. Or I guess, since we currently LIVE in a capitalist society, it is the very kind of thing that I would fear. The processes of maintaining adoption of posthuman existence can become something that exploits the very people who are looking to adopt it. I think I talked about this with Boo once. Because he wants to be an android or some other kind of entity that can persist forever. But it was all flowers and rainbows and the infinite existence but every time he somehow painted this picture of a cyberpunk world. And cyberpunk is rife with all kinds of problems beyond just the concept of identity. I started thinking of the Matrix but human guided. Like what if you made the people who you turned into androids work for your company to build the newer models over the next couple of years. You give them this cool body without aging or illness or whatever but they have to work for a while. And some people are like sure cool, that sounds fair. But then they work for you, and once they're almost done, you've got a new model and their current one is out of date and can be better. So you pull them again into working but as a newer, improved model. And you just maintain this cycle of maintenance to keep them working for you. I think that would make a really good st
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boo is fuckin crazy dude
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I would even say that's a bit of an understatement.
>>208698 i mean that's a statement from somebody who's already pretty fuckin crazy have you ever shown up to an appointment that you didn't know you made and forgot who you were
>>208697 >>208698 I don't think he's crazy. I think he's careless and callous when it comes to community issues. That's not crazy but it's not a good thing.
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>>208703 is becoming an infinite android a community issue
