i disagree regarding quality of sleep though my sleep is super high quality even though it's short i think sleep norms are so subjective and arbitrary that it's just based around what healthily suits a socionormative lifestyle it's just demographic and population studies and some arbitrary sleep studies at hospitals with socionormative patients because non-socionormative patients wouldn't be going to the hospital for sleep disturbances
they don't get to speculate about options they're constrained to what sample size presents itself to them and that's a massive bias i think it's about hemispheric communication throughout the day and how you distribute your brain's workload for instance, linguistic reasoning is all held in the left hemisphere of the brain (i dont wanna slow down the post to grab citations but it's a fact) different occupations and social presences will be taxing that part more i spend my whole days typing out spoken words into written words, using almost entirely my left hemisphere for that linguistic reasoning, and needing mild communication with the right hemisphere to help keep track of context and apply that sort of tasking
what if my brain doesn't need the same sort of sleep that someone who's out there attending a cash register and socializing with people needs what if it just needs really frequent tweaking and small adjustments because of the volume of the information it's processing, that it's healthier to do it that way than to wait until the end of the day and do all the maintenance then
like, the health organizations and academic societies treat our bodies like they're just a weak little machine that has one designed purpose and it needs to be treated in that manner not like the fuckin network of dynamic systems that it is
>>234844 Well, all science is generalized, at least with people But I think it's a very common thing that you need to sleep a certain amount of time before the good sleeps(tm) kick in So short sleep leads to less time of good sleeps
But that varies person to person, probably, could be due to life style factors
Humans aren't even meant to sleep 8 hours a day in one go
>>234849 why is "good sleeps" necessary? i'm not saying that it isnt, but i think the reason for it is the level of stress that's manufactured in us that that's the level we have to get to in order to resume function what if frequent, small maintenance prevent infrequent, large scale maintenance?
i mean, thinking about it, when is that not the case with anything in life? if you don't clean up regularly, it becomes a BIG thing to deal with later if you don't sort your downloads folder now, it becomes a BIG chore later
i don't view sleep as particularly different from those sorts of subroutines where we wouldn't need to devote full attention to it if we are able to process it very easily in small chunks as it comes in
I think it's just the kind of sleep that actually... uh, does sleep stuff in your brain That's why you feel fucked up if you nap an hour and wake up I think
I'm not super knowledgable about this stuff, though, I'm basing this on what I've heard and stuff
it's rest and you don't exaclty need to sleep to rest but sleep is also a separate entity from rest in a way shit's weird people need different amounts of both
Just sleep a little bit more than the amount you feell you personally need and it should be fine If your schedule is flexible enough, sleep more than once per day, and just sleep shorter each time
>>234872 It's hard for me to be certain. LFY 2-0'd Newbee in the group stages but got 0-2'd by them on the main stage. Liquid hasn't gone up against either team once this entire tournament so I don't have particulars to work off in judging which team will fare better against the others.
>>234874 newbee is resourceful they're the type to understand that the group stage is a low-investment thing you can't spoil your secrets there LFY wish they would have that leisure, but they had to secure things and make a strong impression
who's on liquid now? i fell back asleep during my free data hours last night and didn't get to check
Anno
Kuroky is captaining, and there's Matumbaman, Mind_Control, gh, and uhhhh. I can't remember their mid player.
Oh right whoops. Miracle.
月
>kuroky is captaining fuckin lawl
Anno
I think he captains decently well.
>>234879 I think he's most consistently on 5, yeah. Between him and gh they support fairly some games, but gh also gets put on greedy supports that are practically core at times and wipes teams like that. gh on Keeper is something pretty amazing.
月
kuroky is 5 and captain? or what's up
Kannagi
I walked a lot! I chafed my legs. They are a little sore now. 20,000 steps. 9.23 miles. The most I have walked in a while!
>>234878 support core keeper can be pretty great yeah he has so much utility well it'd be kinda neat if liquid took it but i'd put money against them beating newbee
Anno
I'd put money against both teams beating Newbee, honestly. Newbee's had plenty of time to rest, and either Liquid or LFY have to fight at least five games, at most eight, to take the Aegis tonight. That's a LOT of strenuous gaming possibly. I'm just hoping Liquid gets t o the grand finals because I have a hard time enjoying Chinese vs. Chinese DotA. Newbee manages to break that mold decently some times though.
>>234884 It's complicated. Yes, kind of, but performing in front of a crowd feels a fair bit scary to me. Even if the crowd is behind a digital wall. Also I don't really know what I can bring that others can do far better. I don't have the best game sense and fuck, I have a hard time remembering names of things on call.
月
Would you like to broadcast dota, dude? you've got a good voice for it i can get you some connects
>>234883 i mean it's not like a job or anything it's just a hobby there are some opportunities that pay but it's mostly just consolation i think i got like 200 dollars for being an analyst for a full season on ad2l's platinum league
>>234917 last time i took a flight we got delayed for two hours because "there was a problem with the airplane door and internal air pressure, and we're going to try and fix it" that was fun
It was good but I walked way too much today. I ended up chafeing my inner thighs and they are super sore. I'm also so sleepy. Walked 20,000 steps and 9.23 miles today.
月
wow are you sure? that's a lot of miles that's like four hours of walking
Kannagi
I walked for 6 hours and 34 minutes today. Apparently.
FormerRei@mobile
Ohio I got like seven hours of sleep, feels good man.
>>234955 I have no ideas about your data parsing abilities or how much you've walked but I don't think I could just guess that 9 miles = 4 hours I guess If I walked a shitton. I might be able to guess how long it takes on average. I guess I wasn't really thinking about it seriously but It was a nice guess.
FormerRei@mobile
>>234957 Moon is probably good at Fermi estimation. It's a common trait among physicists.
>>234973 oh no car crashes are really scary accidents scare me so much
not the bees
Samurai !KW2DbpWwls
my friend and her husband were in a car crash but they're fine the reason for the car crash was a bee flew in the window and the guy swerved then overcorrected then rolled the car
Hello. I have paid back my sleep debt and am here now.
>>234973 It's distracting when a bug shows up and you're driving. One time I was in the car and a tick was suddenly on my hand. It hadn't bitten me though, fortunately ticks don't bite me.
Kannagi
Goddamn bees.
Samurai !KW2DbpWwls
>>234976 it must have been one of those teleporting ticks
BRING THE GIRL AND WIPE AWAY THE DEBT >>234975 wow bees are a menace
>>234978 I'm sure it had been on me for some time since it made its way all the way up my arm and to my hand.
>>234980 >>234981 Ticks are scary, yeah. Fortunately they're on the list of bugs that don't bite me. I've never had one bite me despite having them on me many times.
Oh shit I'm suddenly really tired despited taking my meds and drinking a third of a coke I blame my dog She's really soft and warm so she makes me want to go back to sleep
@rei good night @kannagi want to watch genshiken @rika+kirara+ton want to watch genshiken with me and kannagi @bang your gay @rook you're gay @kirara how do people still not realizing your gay
I doubt Rika is defending someone that purposefully drove into a group of people and killed one of them. She's just saying to not get mad.
I think it's fine to get mad. Or not.
But the point is that she's not defending the perpetrator of the crime. I think telling her to kill herself is a little short tempered
>>235038 I've been sick of that problem for a long time now. Now that I'm involved, and I'm not going to sit here and let it happen, though. I refuse to be treated by dirt by someone I call my friend for having an opposing opinion. If I let this slide, he will probably start doing it to me all the time like he does to you, and I'm not willing to allow that to happen.
I refuse to sit here and not be mad when someone who could just as well have been me gets MOWED THE FUCK DOWN and KILLED in the street And I refuse to not be fucking livid when told being mad at that is unacceptable
ToN
Its fine to get mad as long as you acknowledge that it wont change anything probably Though Im kind of also on the side of rika's, uh, opinion
There's nothing wrong with feeling outrage over something outrageous. But being livid and steaming over something on the other side of the world is just inflicting unnecessary emotional stress upon yourself.
The cops of many nation protect scumbags and criminals all over the world you just hear about this one case and chose to be invested so be also invested and mad about every similiar crime happening every minute all over the third world and developing world
>>235040 I think it's just a problem of personality. The way I express myself gets under his skin or something. Anyway, I'm hoping we can make some progress on fixing it, and manage to play the game tonight.
>>235049 It's fine if that's the problem. What's not fine is the way he handles it. I think he needs to behave in a more appropriate way. It's sad that he has to be treated like a child, though. I would also like to fix this and play the game.
I think it's a bit early to say that the police are protecting the criminal. They probably took him to jail. The justice system doesn't work instanteously, it takes weeks and not minutes.
>>235051 Andi f you were born in say brazil youw ould be completely different too so those might as well be you cause you wouldn't ahve the luxury and such to develop as you have as many of us have, because we have to luxury to do so
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
>>235052 The criminal got away and the police released a statement saying that the person was just afraid when they accelerated into a large group of people and killed someone
Although I'm sure the criminal will end up with manslaughter that's not really enough since it should be murder
Though I'm sorry for blowing up on you, Rika I'm just fucking mad about this And it hurts to have someone tell me I shouldn't be mad about someone getting FUCKING KILLED for holding the same views I do, by someone LITERALLY advocating for genocide
Oh, I see. Well, given the national attention that this will get, I think it likely that they will do a thorough investigation. Charges can always be brought against the driver later.
>>235056 Justice doesn't work like that. You shouldn't just kill people without knowing the full story.
I'm not gonna have a fucking debate on this because I'm clearly not in a state of mind to but the idea of "arm the women, they'll oppress themselves" is fucking ridiculous to me
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
i think you're assuming her full argument without knowing what it is
They've handled everything pretty well so far. I'm really surprised how well they've done it.
Jack has been handled well even though they skipped her origin chapter although I guess that wasn't really necessary for her story in the story.
They handled Spartacus really well, too. You can really see the difference between his Madness Enhancement and Fran's Madness Enhancement even in the way they move.
>>235075 Achilles is more-or-less the strongest servant there is. He and Atalanta have a good relationship. But yeah, there's no Emiya or Cu tier guy. Sieg is kind of annoying the entire story. Shirou and Semi-chan are really good.
>>235077 The thing I liked most about FSN was those moments that made you go kyaaaaaaaaaaaaaa when Emiya or Cu was doing something cool. And Shirou's smooth as butter voice. He did cool things sometimes too.
>>235080 Well, Shirou Kotomine is about as good as Kirei, at least.
I don't think Apoc is very exciting in the way SN was. It's exciting for core Nasufags though, I think.
Fate/Strange Fake is way better.
Fate/Extra's anime is going to be really good too. It'll have Gilgamesh, Cu, and Emiya.
Koi
>>235079 >that was what people were saying Aw shit, ALL of the fanart soon >>235079 >she can "open a back door in anything" Oh no, ALL of the doujins soon
>>235082 I'm a low level Fate fan, so the F/A stuff is kind of bland. It's an interesting and well done series though. I'm looking forward to more stuff with my favorite characters though.
I know it's ridiculous to everyone else because I used to be in the same boat, but this kind of thing really hits me It's scary It's the US, but it's still really scary The US influences the rest of us, you know? If it becomes acceptable to ram commies with cars in the US, I'm in danger if I'm public
>>235090 Fate/Extra is looking good. It'll be done by SHAFT. It's also going to be the story that leads up to Fate/Extella which was really good!
>>235091 The car thing doesn't worry me that much. What does worry me is hundreds of people marching around a college campus claiming I'm trying to replace them and beating people up that disagree because those are the ones that want me dead.
It worries me I'm not scared It takes time to cross the ocean, sorta But if it gets accepted in the US, it gets accepted in Europe This happens with everything
And I'm scared a day will come that I get shot or beaten for being a commie
ToN
>>235089 right? Im a little sad that shes both but shes cool apparently shes also among the 2hus to canonically beat reimu? i think she must like open the back door of her fight or something
But yes, it is scary and I want it to stop I want politics to end
Police protected nazi marches are political violence, and I want them to fucking go and stay go because first of all I'm not OK with fascism, and second of all I don't want imats to get iced because some faggot in Utah decided the REAL PROBLEM IN THIS WORLD is the fucking Juden And I'm all for killing that faggot in Utah if it means an entire race of humanity doesn't get fucking slaughtered
>>235101 There's a big story about how a Fate RPG went bad because it had a bunch of assholes playing it where there was someone who kept trying to make his character immortal and he had a druid gawain or something haha.
>>235102 I believe there's a system out there designed for it. Not an official one, though. I have it in my docs somewhere. I'm watching anime right now so I can't get it, though.
>>235099 This is kinda why people don't like communists. People don't like being told that their government needs to be torn down and that they need to be shot if they don't like this. People just want to live their daily lives in peace.
>>235103 I could see something like that going bad if someone was trying to powergame.
>>235105 I go about my day without oppressing anyone. I know you're worried about violence, but when you adovate violence people are going to advocate violence against you. It's a live by the sword, die by the sword kind of thing.
>>235107 Tabletop games that go bad are always funny stories.
>>235110 See, this is why people want to shoot commies. If someone shows up telling me that it's time for me to go down just because I oppress people by existing, of course I'm going to shoot them before they shoot me.
>>235113 I work for my money, I try to help people and not hurt people, and I try not to make a big fuss that inconvienences people. You can't really argue in good faith that I need to be shot or whatever because I'm a part of a system that is much much bigger than me.
>>235119 I am moderately wealthy because I have a good job. I have a good job because I got a good education. I have a good education because my parents were able to help me go to school, although I did have to take loans out for it.
My dad literally grew up in the projects and was able to become upper middle class because he was in the navy and learned skills there.
My mom's family was old money from a long time ago but they've lost most of it and are middle class.
I know I have rich girl memes, and I am relatively well off compared to most but I am not British royalty or anything.
>>235126 Yeah, but I don't think Rika's evil for having a good job. It's the system that's evil, not her. I may not agree with her politically on everything, but I don't think she's bourgeoisie.
sk
Having a good job doesn't make you bad But recognizing that your job is 'good' because someone else's is shit is important
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
yes but not having class consciousness is pretty normal not having it doesn't make you anti-worker
I have a good mind and I worked my butt off to become educated enough to do my job. Isn't it natural for someone to be paid more if they work harder than others to learn to do what they can do? Isn't it natural for someone who can do things that other people can't to be paid more because they're relatively rare?
Your problem is you're seeing it as addative when your addition comes at the expense of someone else You have access to more things BECAUSE someone else has access to less things There are people
>>235135 But my job is hard too. If I screw up, people get hurt and I may be sued. And it's not really a question of if I screw up, it's just a question of when and how bad it is.
If I could make just as much just sitting and watching a security camera or something while I played around on the internet, I'd definitely do that instead.
>>235138 How is it not the point? I like what I do, but I still suffer a lot while doing it. I also suffered a lot learning how to do it and getting the qualifications I needed.
Why would I do all that if I could make just as much doing a job that didn't make me suffer? Why would anyone?
I don't really think I am arguing against capitalism. I am just saying that I don't think it's wrong for some people to be paid more.
More importantly, though, the idea that you shouldn't increase the amount of suffering in the world is central to my moral framework. Destroying people's government (without their consent) and shooting anyone who has a problem with that is something I consider deeply immoral.
It's completely wrong for anyone to be better off than others.
Anno
>Destroying people's government (without their consent) and shooting anyone who has a problem with that is something I consider deeply immoral. I think you won't like capitalism.
>>235144 >>235145 The problem here is that you guys kind of paint everything bad that happens as being "capitalism". Invading people's countries and taking their oil isn't really capitalism. It's imperialism.
The founding fathers were fiercly isolationist, but our country was still capitalist in the sense that we exchanged money for goods and services.
I have always believed strongly in their vision. We should definitely be more isolationist.
sk
If you're against increasing suffering, you can not defend capitalism in good faith
>>235148 >>235149 Well, I'll just say that it's a stupid argument. I just provided an example of a country that was both isolationist and capitalist and did fine.
sk
Look i dont fault you for thinking this way because I did si myslf But you're wrong
>>235157 Whether you want to blame evolutionary psychology or original sin, greed exists in all people.
>>235158 Would you agree with the statement that greedy people have been the downfall of most of the world's attempts at creating a communist society so far?
FormerRei@mobile
>>235159 >original sin How Christonormative of you.
>>235159 these greedy people weren't necessarily communists.
FormerRei@mobile
Also holy fuck People need to chill
FormerRei@mobile
Don't get me wrong, I like arguing over stupid shit. But you * some of you are getting yoo invested in this argument emotionally and making personal attacks
But that aside, I do think that capitalists are the problem and not capitalism as a system. The advantage, in my opinoon, of getting rid of capitalism would be that there are no more capitalists.
But I'd rather get rid of capitalists and keep some parts of capitalism.
>>235167 That's naive. The profit motive isn't a human concept. It's a fundamental truth that comes with life on this planet. When a lion pounces on a gazelle, she profits. It is a fundamental fact of life that you cannot eliminate.
Well, not until post-scarcity, if such a thing is possible.
>>235168 I don't disagree with the idea that the system right now is far from ideal. I don't really know what an F2P economy is, but if you study history you'll find many periods of unchecked capitalism where things go too far and eventually get regulated. I think we're in one of those too-far periods right now.
The only question in my mind is rather er whether this will be remedied by reeling things in or by collapse or semi-collapse.
Of course, the most efficient, albeit violent, solution is to remove the cops You'll quickly see just what the people think of your property rights when they need to eat and you have food you won't give them
FormerRei@mobile
>>235174 I think you need to take a second and Nvm
>>235173 To me, the most important thing for a person is freedom. I value personal autonomy a lot.
I think the idea /// ideal economy would be one that provides the bare minimum for survival and allows people to achieve economic freedom with which they can use their personal autonomy to pursue their dreams. Communism, in its ideal form, would meet that goal, but I don't believe that form of communism can exist. Capitalism as it is can't meet that either.
Anno
>>235174 Removing the cops without providing some sort of framework for people to build society isn't going to work.
>>235171 Yeah, symboisis is a nice thing. That doesn't really refute that I said, though. Profit is a concept inherent to the natural world, is it not?
>>235177 I did say it would be violent I'm just saying you'd quickly see how fucking invested people really are in the capitalist system when you remove the fuckers pointing guns at people opposing it
>>235180 That's going to happen no matter what. Like I just said, the concept of profit is a natural concept. The concept of prey is also a natural concept.
If you remove the rules, there will always be that person who realizes he can what his neighbor in the head with a shovel and get someone he wants. It's natural, and it's naive to believe that this wouldn't be the result.
sk
Because anarcho capitalism isn't a thing
Anno
Also, the powerful would just make their own fucking militia.
>>235176 I don't mind small governments that give people lots of personal freedoms. I like personal freedoms, as long as people are protected from the bad stuff.
ToN
wvery time you say boushies i want to punch you tbh
>>235201 Anyone poor has to protect themselves against the state Every single one
You can do this with employment, because now you can legally purchase your food Or you can avoid the cops while stealing food
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
you've never been poor so
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
yeah we do have to protect ourself from the state because of capitalists
who protects us from each other? the state
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
i think you're stuck in a capitalsm vs communism mindset that's a false dichotomy the state doesn't HAVE to be evil it's evil because evil people run it
The state's protection of us from each other is a side effect of the state itself
sk
The state must be evil because the very nature of the state is evil
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
a state cannot be evil a state is a system people that run a system can be evil but a system itself isn't actually evil it's evil because people are using it for evil things
>>235199 I have enough contact with the legal system to know that even poor people get the protection of the law. You can't go doing violent things to poor people, the polce will get you.
>>235215 This is why you're so unreasonable to argue against. If you're pressed, you fall back to this premise. It's a premise I don't agree with, and one you haven't provided sufficient evidence to prove.
sk
The state can not help without harming an equal amount, and it will always harm more
FormerRei@mobile
The state is not a singular entity. It's filled with different factions and divisions each with their own factions and divisions and then at the bottom it has individual members.
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
>>235219 i don't think that's true the fact that capitalists can exploit people and the fact that the state protects people's lives (generally) are separate
He's talking about using property as a method of making money off of people who require a home as a basic need to the point where you can just keep people out by charging higher. It's the property market that's problematic not "having your own home".
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
>>235228 SK, the distinction between personal and private property exists primarily in socialist ideology so you need to make that separation so they understand your point
Anno
>>235224 Owning your house isn't really the problem. The fact that there is a market for house means that it is profitable to own a large amount of house, driving the prices up and leaving a lot of people homeless.
>>235230 I KNOW SHE DOESNT UNDERSTAND BUT IT'S FUCKING ANNOYING TO SIT HERE DRINKING AND HAVE TO EXPLAIN TO SOMEONE WHY STARVING PEOPLE TO MAKE A PROFIT IS OPPRESSIVE
One of the basic fundamentals of having an argument is that you either have to argue on commonly accepted premises, or to prove the points where you don't agree. I don't agree with the idea that owning property is evil.
>>235232 How can you have a discussion if you're using different terms and won't explain them? You're getting mad because she doesn't understand, but you are making choices that actively makes it harder for Rika to understand you.
I don't think a discussion is even possible here because Rika's idea of freedom includes private property I don't think I can convince Rika, anyway I'm mostly just channeling my anger at today into shitposting
FormerRei@mobile
>>235235 I think you shoukd take a break from this discussion and go do something fun or relaxing.
It's true, you probably won't convince me of anything. I value stability in my life so something like communism isn't something I'd really jump on board on.
That said, you can at least make me understand where you are coming from so I don't view you as a suicidal crazy person.
>>235241 I wasn't angry yesterday cause I didn't realize the unitethefash shit was actually happening I thought it was a meme and maybe 20 people would show up
FormerRei@mobile
Anyways I have a few ideas in mind for some stuff I coukd recommend you to read that might at least help you not feel as bad from stuff like this in the future.
>>235256 I have had a lot of laffs from them ELECTING A COP oh my lanta what a fucking clown world But that's not being talked about in my podcasts I think
HOW DOES A SOCIALIST SHELL PARTY ELECT A FUCKING COP
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
it's pretty hilarious
FormerRei@mobile
Bbl gonna shower
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
>>235257 the cop had done a lot of real unionization and stuff for workers it just so happened he also did unionization for cops and hid that fact he actively lied and hid the truth of his past in order to get elected it came out after he got elected
And the worst part he was like "the people who know me knew about this" like dudde those people should be fucking ran outta the party too they're class traitors
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
he was a plant sent to destroy the org though it's kind of funny
>>235246 I should have came home early and went to bed but instead I got trapped in Penn Station for two hours and had nothing to do but read things. I could have been wasting my time playing this beta but no.
I did Tempest on the hardest setting yesterday and on the sixth map, a super Corrin (male) showed up and he had superpowers. He was 40+ and he was killing units one on one that were like dedicated sword killers. He beat Abel one on one, and Abel is a brave lance triangle adept guy.
I'm still trying to get summer Corrin. I've been having somewhat bad luck, I've pulled 5 star Lukas and Camilla from that banner trying to get her. It was really unfortunate to get my 5 star roll on a batch with no blue orbs.
>>235284 His speed skill is really good, but I want to use him as a training robot because he has the SP skill booster too. I have a 40+2 Lucina who needs a lot of different skills.
I'm ruled almost entirely by my emotions And right now my emotions are telling me to fucking hurt somebody because I saw someone that easily could have and would have been me get killed for believing what I do earlier And I don't fucking know how to deal with this anger because my outlet for anger has always been to actually hurt people
>>235290 Well, my advice is if you're worried about being hurt in that way, avoid riots and protests. Those are dangerous places where people get hurt.
>>235293 I will not avoid riots or protests If the fash comes here, I AM throwing bricks at them
I'm not gonna sit back and go "Well if the minorities wanna live they should make a good argument for their own existence as human beings" I am throwing bricks
>>235295 How is Zeph? I have had trouble using armored and physical infantry in arena because everything kills everything else in one hit. My best teams all involve killing them before they kill you kinds of strategies.
>>235294 Well, if you are violent towards other people, other people will be violent towards you. That's just a fact of life.
Olivia is my Hector killer. She has triangle adept. There seem to be rare super Hectors that give her just a little bit of trouble, but Faye has poison strike so all I have to do is hit them once with her and then Olivia can kill them.
It's funny that you need to have an anti-Hector setup with any arena team.
Eventually I'll kill a Chrom or something for him and give him Aether so he can spam healing specials+damage for even more healing. I've gotten two 4* Chroms but they're no good at 4*.
I had an Ike with a worthless, shitty IV, so I killed him for Alm to give Alm Heavy Blade.
It bothers me in Isekai Restaurant that everyone orders the same food every single time they go. Isn't that weird? It's like they try one thing and then they always order that forever without trying anything else.
I have like four things at every restaurant that I alternate between based on how I'm feeling.
Anno
I mean I think they just show them eating the same thing every episode for the sake of characterization, but I don't think they always eat the same thing. That is my theory at least.
Arguments like "should I not make more money than x is already presupposing capitalism that's all You're doing nothing wrong in capitalism That's the problem
>>235342 Some people like to have a disclaimer that says "my opinion" or something
>>235340 You're saying everyone without class consciousness is a bad person. That's ridiculous. That kind of view is counterevolutionary and definitely bad praxis.
sk
Not necessarily Someone without full consciousness may still not fight against the revolution But anyone who does IS counter revolutionary and as the revolution's purpose is the liberating of the working class, they are a bad person
Most people have been brainwashed against the left after 50+ years of anti-commie propaganda and you want to condemn them for something capitalism did to them, huh?
But that doesn't mean their actions are those of a good person They are misinformed but ultimately they are laying down their life in defense of the oppressive system At best they are amoral They can not be good people
I want to save everyone but I can't save those who actively fight
sk
I can't save uncle Tom Uncle Tom is unsalvagable
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
that's kind of a fucked up mindset i think
sk
I think it's just realism If they drop the rifle they are good
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
you're condemning people what happens to them after a revolution?
well they're already ruined right? counterrevolutionary right? they'll want to go back to the way things were right? BETTER KILL THEM
sk
After the revolution they are a worker like everyone else There's no need to kill or punishment they were misled
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
because they'll immediately see that everything is better? no they'll see that everything is wrong and they'll actively work to return to the way things were
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>>235361 Then they have to die It's unfortunate I don't want that
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
>>235362 see that's super fucked up to say that human lives need to disappear because they think wrong
sk
Humans who actively work to exploit and oppress others must be convinced to change their mind, or be snuffed out I won't entertain some idiot idea that the nazis can live side by side with anyone and not be stopped
sk
If you work in a factory but think all the negros need to die i dont care what you think about me I'll fire the gun myself
>>235366 I can and will The capitalists kill people for profit My motive is exclusively protection of others If you think those are equivalent we don't have compatible morals and can't have a discussion
>>235383 I think I understand things a lot less now.
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I've said I'll kill anyone actively working to oppress and or exploit others You're saying this is thought policing That's redicilous
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
i said >>235359 you said >>235360 your premise was that after the revolution they'll just magically be ok with the change and if they're not they die
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As long story they don't work against it, they'll be OK They don't have to like it No, thinking wrong isn't a problem The problem is when they advocate oppression That's when they're told to shut up or face the community And the community, me as a part of it, will put a bullet in them
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
but even thinking wrong is working against it isn't it?
I think at some point we've blended or rather added "not having class consciousness" with "thinking incorrectly".
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Because if after the revolution your thought remains "we should starve x% so 1% can buy Ferraris", we don't need you, and you can get iced without me feeling any guilt
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
>>235392 it is thinking incorrectly according to marxist philosophy
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Though of course thinking isn't the problem Attempting to make that a reality is
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This is very hardliner and I understand that But I won't excuse it in a post revolution scenario
>>235401 Why do you think capitalism doesn't execute leftists?
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I don't know Because it's not necessary until the late stage, at which point it transfers into fascism if you let it and EXECUTES LEFTISTS
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
why isn't it fascist to execute people that disagree if it's you doing it
ToN
>>235403 thoughtcrime is what youre describing bitchboi
sk
It's authoritarian not fascist
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
fascism is authoritarian so...
sk
The USSR was fascist?
sk
No. It's self defense Words are more than sounds If you say you are going to make me a slave, I am 100% justified in putting a slug into your chest
Anno
No but the part where fascist execute opponents is what makes it authoritarian.
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
>>235411 depends on who you asked socialist movements outside of the USSR regularly denounced the USSR as fascist
ToN
>>235412 yes but you want people to be mind slaves to your communist regime
sk
Well if it turns out to be shit and most people agree to not do it anymore that's a different thing
Anyone in communism who declares he intends to reestablish capitalism is declaring war He is saying he intends to oppress many to benefit some He SHOULD be shot, if communism works And I think it does
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
is it okay to oppress some to benefit many?
sk
No
sk
I don't agree with gulags I'm an ancom, tankies get the bullet too
>>235423 The thing is that capitalism "should". But it looks bad in the face of society. So they just act magnanimous. Hence why we don't do it here. Keyword: "here"
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Who 5he fuck am I seeking to oppress? Name one person
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
people that don't have class consciousness after a revolution
>>235425 I'm asking if it's morally okay from their perspective, not if they are doing it or not
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>you seek to kill this person >yeah cause if I don't he'll kill this other person >>235432 How the fuck does that matter Was Hitler a good boi if you assume he didn't know? No. He wasn't
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
they don't know that they're being oppressive SK they don't understand what's going on
>>235430 For some of them, yeah, it is. Because they think they're going to get killed otherwise. The magnanimity comes in play when it doesn't affect you. People can say whatever the hell they want. 50% of people can disagree with you. But when a small group owns all the resources, all the weapons, and all the rights to savagery, you don't really have to bother with it. You can just write laws, and oppress their lives, and they'll fall through the cracks of the system instead. Why go out of your way to look bad in front of the people you're trying to convince that you're not oppressing them when you can just adjust things so that your opponents will fall and the ones who will feed your system will die as your shield even as they die for crumbs? We talk a lot about shooting people in the head with bullets or putting guns to their head as the only real sense of violence or coercion but there are plenty of ways to intentionally kill when you control resources.
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
>>235431 i'm saying that these people are victims and victim blaming is bad killing someone should NEVER EVER FUCKING EVER be your first option to deal with them no matter what if it is, you can't say you're trying to do the right thing
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"her i didn't know they'd do what I proposed!" I'd å retarded stance
I still honestly think that you are both assessing very different situations in your minds and it makes this impossible for either of you.
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>>235450 No I'm saying they just disagree At WHAT. FUCKING. POINT. do you legitimize putting a bullet in their head? After they kill you? Before they kill you? When they say they will kill you? when
what if the attempt at implementing communism doesn't work out and the population decides they wanna try a different system are you gonna shoot them under these laws too?
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
>>235452 who is going to kill them under communism
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The people around them who won't fucking stand for it >>235458 No, they pick up a shotgun
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
do they just take a vote or something? like, hey, is this guy fash? do we kill him?
Anno
>>235455 If the attempt at implementing communism didn't work, chances are the people aren't in control. If they are, they should be the one deciding anyway.
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
so these guys just decide to kill someone without a trial or anything and do it without even working together to decide if it's best for everyone
sk
Trials are already either determined by the people in the jury or the boushie who chose the judge
>>235496 we don't but we'll inevitably go to them because we're predisoposed to them unless you educate every single person on how to function without one
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Then I'd rather go down with the ship, having tried to create a better world, than to continue supporting a failing, oppressive system that kills people as a matter of its own sustainability
Capitalism is funny because it has been tried fully and we have seen where it goes without state restrictions oligarchy and what does communism develop into? Oligarchic dictatorships oh how similiar except capitalist societys still have large individual freedoms
I don't think it's very fair to lay every death under capitalism at the feet of the current system, and then go "it isn't true communism" when people point out that lots bad stuff happened in countries where communism has been attempted.
>>235526 Because it's a double standard. What's stopping me from going "well this isn't true capitalism".
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Why not?
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How so
In one case, the system being defended directly caused deaths, systematically In the other, an attempt to implement a system put a bad person in a position to do bad things
>>235525 If you argue that "communism has never been attempted" you should also argue "capitalism has never been attempted" because true capitalism also LACKS STATES 100% PRECENT TOO fucking idiots I tell you
>>235545 State uses many corporative entities to run its shit, because that is the most efficient way to do its stuff in modern world and since invention of investment banks and companies
>>235549 People starve for various reasons. Lack of resources, food shortages, poor logistics, and so on. These things have existed since before capitalism.
>>235551 Afford to eat and can't eat and starving are three different things >>235549 because of dictators who aren't capitalist or communist but just warlords
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>>235552 Lack of resources? Is there not enough food?
>>235568 People aren't going to give stuff up for free. Of course, you're going to argue that this is capitalism for making everyone greedy.
It's a little more inherent than that, people are inherently selfish because the natural world demands it. People won't expend energy on things that don't benefit them, generally.
You'll argue that this is capitalism's fault, but the truth is that it's a natural rule that predates capitalism by quite some time. Which is why people starved before captialism.
Anno
id like to skip the dating process and immediately jump into being a cute couple
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>>235572 But why? If we have the food, and it will he thrown away why not give it to those who need it? What causes this?
Anno
>>235574 that brings up the issue of just giving it to everyone though
Anno
Usually when nature is an obstacle to human beings, we just learn to deal with that.
>>235574 Getting it to them takes time and energy. People will not expend time and energy for free.
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Are there no people who would take time out of their day to see that starving people get food?
Anno
>>235579 actually yes there are lots of large volunteer groups out there in fact my shitty little midwest city has several food banks and soup kitchens and that variety of junk
>>235579 Yes, there are volunteer groups. Some people even make a living of it. And still, it's too big a job for even that. I think you are underestimating how large and undertaking it is.
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But why aren't there enough people? Are all the people with jobs unwilling to help?
Anno
>>235585 im busy working for MONEY and spending my free time enjoying myself and doing side stuff to benefit myself
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>>235588 That's nonsense In capitalism you have personal freedom You can help starving people if you want
I answered a ton of your questions. Now you can answer mine.
If it's really capitalism's fault, why did people starve in exactly the same manner before capitalism was a really big thing? Don't you tihnk it's more likely to be what I suggested?
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Because capitalism is // "if wage slavery is bad why did saves have it worse " You're asking me if capitalism is better than feudalism, but you seem to think that whatever is better than feudalism is the peak of human ability
The system can have issues that were present in the previous one this is idiotic
>>235602 People starved in Rome when the empire was at its height. People starved when Charlemange was ruling the French empire. People starved when China was at its height.
This issue seems to span the entirety of human civilization, but you're laying it at the feet of modern capitalism. Why is that?
Your argument is that people starve under capitalism and that is why capitalism is specifically bad. But now every civilization that has ever existed is part of capitalism?
Also, I don't agree with the premise that every form of government that has ever existed is inferior.
sk
Capitalism is superior to every previous system Hands down No contest
>>235631 I think the main criticism of communism is that attempts at it invariably fail, leading to the deaths of many many people.
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The criticism of capitalism is that it necessitates those deaths They aren't a failure, they're the cogs turning the wheels of the machine
Anno
damn ay honestly tgo fuck em
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
fuck everyone tbh
Anno
lit
ToN
fuck?
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
no
sk
And besides, not a tankie
ToN
what the fuck is a tankie you slang throwing drunken communist bastard
Anno
people at the bottom are supposed to die out anyways
sk
Tankies are the top left of the political compass They excuse Stalin
Kirara☆ !Sh0sAiDORU
>>235652 tankies are militant commies that support north korea, think stalin's genocide was actually good etc advocate murdering their families because family is a boushie institution and their family aren't commies
I think I come off as a lot more militant thanks I am But that's kind of the nature of trying to communicate with language There's gonna be differences in how each participant sees a scenario
I wouldn't just blow someone's brains out for missing capitalism In case some of you got that idea
I would say it's very common to make more than you simply need to eat. A lot of people live paycheck to paycheck, but food isn't even a very large percentage of their expenses.
sk
But alwats?
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And even so Do they not deserve to have a smartphone or internet? Is their contribution to society simply too insignificant to warrant things we take for granted?
>>235757 It's a criticism of communism One I don't necessarily think is true
It is, without question, an aspect of state capitalism, which operates within capitalism It is also an aspect within some forms of socilaism which have capitalist aspects lingering, such as currency Labor vouchers and socialism does not address this problem
Then why do you defend a system where people who do not work have more money than those who do, and thus not only eat more, but gain more from the collective work of society? What labor has Shkreli ever put into society?
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And Is the amount of labor he has put in reflective of the money he has?
TN !PcAPtAiNJo
>>235764 but if said society still produces enough for everyone to eat to reach basic levels of "societal needs what is the problem?
if everyone ha reached the level of contenti n terms of beign fed by needs and by beyond that by low level luxury needs?
>>235771 Steve Jobs obviously had a lot of talent as a product designer and as a marketer.
TN !PcAPtAiNJo
>>235771 He invented rthe company he created the connections that the company needed he created the initial tech the company needed he headed the company against the investors to keep it running He head the sense to leave the comapny when demanded He had the sense the join the company again when needed
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So it's acceptable and good for someone to put in some work, and then laze around for the rest of their life?
>>235781 >no one knows No We do know He must have worked harder than all or most of his workers, or he couldn't have that wealth if work is what makes you money
I don't see that as an obvious conclusion Were his workers not needed? Why should they live paycheck to paycheck when clearly they're generating more wealth than that?
Well, let me ask you this. How does your system offer talented men like Steve Jobs incentive to push themselves and accomplish great things, vs doing an easy thoughtless factory job?
>>235800 Investors, people, government agencies, etc. In communism you still have to sell the idea to the government/party or whatever.
TN !PcAPtAiNJo
>>235800 and in communism who generates the idea? no one investicises the generation of ideas but the state, who own all and if the state lacks the funds then no ideas are ever gene rate d werstehene sie?
>>235814 Investorst are too, why does capitalism work? Because people with money are free to try things People who won't die if they try new things will try new things
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>>235814 I Agree he worked hard but that dont mean i like him
Wow if you can't answer that, you can't even calculate the actual division of labour in most european states
So how do you actually, if tyou can't calculate that, count the european state factors? How do you calculate who amongst the euros is an ally of the revolution? and who is an enemy and who is just resisting?
Why would there be thief lords? Why has nobody shot these leeches yet?
TN !PcAPtAiNJo
because someone steals enought to pay others to form an army/clan/cult/soemthing and thus there are multiple people following one because of a shared ideology
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>pay with what? Rounds? Are we using ammunition as currency like metro here or what?
But food can be grown Farmers will be the ones with the food anyway
Their local communities will defend their food source >>235870 Then people won't live there >>235871 How so? Do I require a government to tell me to defend my dad from assault?
TN !PcAPtAiNJo
Not everyone has a plot of land to farm not 100% of Earth is plantable
That's a local militia defending their ability to survive from those who seek to oppress them Nobody needs to stop people from settling People can settle and live around farmland like we do now
TN !PcAPtAiNJo
No it isi a local government who has formed a local milita
OK maybe I'm using a poor term here, that's my bad and I understand that The local community, those who live nearby and sustain their life from the farmland, will fucking dome you with their own weaponry, at their own discretion, if you try to come in from the outside and just take what you want They do not need organization They do not need a leader They need one thing: A gun
TN !PcAPtAiNJo
Militia is an army it just doesn't directly answer to a state government
For example, a fash uprising may happen somewhere, they may think "ok let's all oppress the others" The rest of the local area will band together to ice those people because they're a threat to everyone else, including themselves
TN !PcAPtAiNJo
you didn't deny it
TN !PcAPtAiNJo
you are just giving an imaginatory examples that also have never happened you know Fascism under Mussolini was Socialism
I probably would never have been born if the Soviets had gotten into Norway >>235903 What? I would never have been born if Nazi Germany hadn't existed, either, very likely Is that a defense of killing 6 million people?
TN !PcAPtAiNJo
SO THINK ABOUT FUCKIGN THAT
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WE US FINNS GAVE YOU FREEDOM
TN !PcAPtAiNJo
>>23590212 12 12 million people
Kirara☆
you'll crazy
TN !PcAPtAiNJo
there are other people who aren'ät the jews the jews are 6 the other are 12
Wait is that your hangup here? No, man, the boushies as a class need to disappear That's a necessity, it's non-negotiable, and it's why I'm an ancop rather than a tankie, because a transitional socialist state really just implements a new set of boushies and while sure the first batch may be ideologically pure and strive for communism, you never know about the next batch
>>235957 So how does this state present us? transgender do we get equalt state to the women and men? >>235964 So you trust us to just be equal to eachother+ But that has never worked before
When has it ever been attempted? There hasn't been actual anarchy anywhere for a very, very long time, and I'm not convinced the people in those societies oppressed people In fact, they couldn't have, if they were anarchies
But before you even asked the state already qualified the competetents of the next olympicvs >>235966 So you say that it is right for me to demand that every nation in olympics obeys my attribution?
Well, we have internet forums, don't we? I'm sure we can organize a sports event without too many issues >>235982 Huh? Do you think some commune would show up and stop everyone else from doing sports?
