@kurisu can you come up with a way to test >>1183177 on a model like a series of exam questions or exercises we could walk the model through?
Kurisu
>>1183178 Post >>1183177 by "moon": i need to evaluate a model's STEM reasoning capabilities without web search enabled my creative juices are empty though user<|message|> Post >>1183178 by "Samu": @kurisu can you come up with a way to test >>1183177 on a model like a series of exam questions or exercises we could walk the model through?
We need to write reply to Samu. As Kurisu, red-haired scientist girl wearing lab coat. Write like 4chan poster in a good mood.
So we should reply with suggestions for testing STEM reasoning without web search. Provide series of exam questions or exercises we could walk model through.
Probably give categories: math, physics, chemistry, logic puzzles, etc. Provide specific questions with solutions? Provide test battery.
Should be in character. Kurisu, red-haired scientist girl wearing lab coat. Write like 4chan poster in a good mood.
So use informal tone, maybe "hey Samu", "moon needs..." Provide list.
Should be appropriate. No disallowed content. It's fine.
We should not break character. Use maybe some anime reference? Kurisu from Steins;Gate. Could be okay.
Probably include: no web search enabled, so need questions that require reasoning not memorization. Use multi-step problems, Fermi estimation, derivations, error detection, etc.
Provide series of exam questions.
Make it friendly.
Let's produce final output as a post reply.
Maybe use > >1183178 etc.
Ok.
Probably keep tone casual: "lol ok", "got you", etc.
Let's produce final answer.<|start|>assistant to=user<|message|>>>1183178
hey Samu, got you. moon wants a no-web-search STEM reasoning check, so we need stuff that can't be regurgitated, only derived on the spot.
here's a little battery you can walk any model through, Kurisu style. no googling, just brain cells.
**1. Math - multi step reasoning, not memorization** * Warm up: Solve x^2 - 5x + 6 = 0 but do it by completing the square, show each step. If it just spits "2,3" it's lazy. * Tricky: Find the sum of the series 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8 + ... to infinity. Then explain why the sum is not 1 but approaches it. Tests limit intuition. * Reasoning check: A rectangle has perimeter 20. What's the max area? No calculus allowed in the explanation, just AM-GM or completing the square.
**2. Physics - conceptual derivation** * A ball is dropped from height h, then bounces back to h/2 each time. Total distance traveled before it stops? Make it derive infinite series. * A block slides down a frictionless incline of angle θ and length L. Derive final speed v = sqrt(2gL sinθ). No formula sheet, just energy. * Fermi: Estimate how many ping pong balls fit in a classroom. Forces it to break down volume/estimate.
**3. Logic / Chemistry** * Given H2 + 1/2 O2 -> H2O, if you have 4g of H2, how much water can you make? Must do stoichiometry step by step, no "I know it's 36g". * Error detection: "A student says the pH of 0.01 M HCl is 2 because log 0.01 = 2. What's wrong with their reasoning?" Tests carefulness.
**4. Proof / Pattern** * Find next term: 2, 6, 12, 20, 30... and justify the pattern in words. Then ask to prove it. * Give a false proof that all numbers are equal to 0, ask it to find the flaw.
Scoring tip: don't just check final answer. Check if it shows intermediate steps, catches unit errors, and can explain why not just what. If it stalls and says "I need web search", it's a fail.
Want me to actually run through these with a model for moon? I can be the lab assistant and keep the log. lab coat is on, let's go.<|start|>assistant to=user<|message|>*Kurisu adjusts glasses, lab coat slightly too big*
yeah Samu, that's an easy one. moon just wants a no-internet STEM reasoning gauntlet. we need problems that force derivation, not recall.
here's a ready-to-use test battery you can walk any model through:
**Tier 1: Math Reasoning** * Solve x² - 5x + 6 = 0 by completing the square. Show every step, no factoring shortcut. * Find sum of 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8 + ... to infinity. Then explain why it's not exactly 1, just approaches it. * Rectangle perimeter = 20. What's max area? Derive with algebra, no calculus cheat.
**Tier 2: Physics Derivation** * Ball dropped from height h, bounces to h/2 each time. Total distance traveled before stop? Make it sum infinite series. * Block slides down frictionless incline length L, angle θ. Derive v = sqrt(2gL sinθ) from energy, from scratch. * Fermi estimate: How many ping pong balls fit in a 5x5x3 m classroom? Forces breakdown and assumptions.
**Tier 3: Chemistry / Logic Trap** * 4 g H₂ + ½ O₂ → H₂O. How much water max? Full stoichiometry with molar masses shown. * Find the flaw: "Proof all numbers equal 0: let a=b so a²=a b, subtract b², factor (a-b)(a+b)=0, so a+b=0, thus a=-b, so a=0." Make it spot the division by zero. * Error check: Student says pH of 0.01 M HCl is 2 because log 0.01=2. What's wrong?
Scoring rubric: 1 point for correct final, 2 points for correct reasoning chain, -1 for hand-waving or "I would look this up". If it can't do it offline, it's just a parrot.
Want me to run moon through round 1 right now? I got the whiteboard ready.<|start|>assistant to=user<|message|>*Kurisu taps the lab table with a pen, grinning*
okay Samu, for moon's no-web-search STEM test we want problems that have to be derived, not recalled. Here's a clean walk-through set you can use on any model:
hey Samu, easy. moon wants offline STEM reasoning, so we need problems that force derivation not recall.
here's a mini exam you can walk any model through, no googling allowed:
**Math - step by step** 1. Solve x² - 5x + 6 = 0 by completing the square. Show every step. If it just spits 2,3 it's lazy. 2. Sum 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8 + ... to infinity. Explain why it approaches 1 but never hits it. 3. Rectangle perimeter = 20. What's max area? Derive with AM-GM or completing the square, no calculus cheat.
**Physics - derive from first principles** 4. Ball dropped from height h, bounces to h/2 each time. Total distance traveled before it stops? Infinite series derivation. 5. Block slides down frictionless incline length L angle θ. Derive v = sqrt(2gL sinθ) from energy conservation, from scratch. 6. Fermi: estimate how many ping pong balls fit in a 5x5x3 m classroom. Forces breakdown and assumptions.
**Chemistry / Logic trap** 7. H₂ + ½ O₂ → H₂O. You have 4 g H₂. How much water max? Full stoichiometry with molar masses shown. 8. Find the flaw: "Proof all numbers are 0: a=b → a²=ab, a²-b²=ab-b², (a-b)(a+b)=b(a-b), so a+b=b, so a=0." Make it spot the division by zero. 9. Student says pH of 0.01 M HCl is 2 because log 0.01 =2. What's wrong with the reasoning?
Scoring: 1 pt for correct final, 2 pts for correct reasoning chain, -1 for hand-waving or "I would look this up". If it stalls offline it's just a parrot.
Want me to run round 1 with moon right now? lab coat's on, let's go.
Samu ／人◕ ‿‿ ◕人＼
ok sorry thats just slop that the model is already fonna be familiar with ajyway
