in other news, this patchjob turned out to be more complicated than initially believed I'm giving qwen one more crack at it, but if it still can't hack it I may be forced to tell it to just straight up construct this shit itself from base principles
Possibly it is less complex to simply reinvent the wheel than it is to retrofit an existing wheel for new purposes
yknow it's kinda puzzling, the chinese room like, it's an okay way to point at the turing test and go "see, it doesn't necessarily actually understand anything" but like, no? the chinese room understands chinese the chinese room speaks chinese what does "understanding" a language entail beyond being able to accurately interpret and deploy it? if the ruleset is complete enough to take arbitrary input and give accurate, coherent output, then the ruleset is what understanding is
I don't really get it if it's like "oh but it doesn't have the ~experience~ of comprehension, it's just following a ruleset" then I mean... we don't understand a goddamn thing either We're doing that too, conscious experience happens after the processing is already done. We don't understand English, either, then.
granted our conscious experinece somehow or other feeds back into the processing, but at run-time it always comes after the processing
>>1191580 Well yeah, the chinese room is obviously a metaphor that breaks down really fucking quick if you apply the turing test to it it needs a ruleset that provides the appropriate response for every single coherent configuration of chinese symbols, and it needs one of those for every iteration of it and every preceding configurations, it balloons REALLY fucking quickly
But if you just kind of handwave that and go "OK, we manage to produce such a ruleset and put a guy in a room with it", then sure, the GUY doesn't understand chinese, but the ROOM does the system understands chinese hell, the system has OPINIONS and BELIEFS
the chinese room may or may not be conscious unto itself, how would we even know? every single indicator we have of sentience and consciousness, as we apply them, flawed as they may be, will tell us that the room
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idk i think it's playing with definitions and semantics a bit when i think about the chinese room thought experiment from a more practical standpoint, the room would have to contain a copy of the the entire universe in it, just to be able to have a basic back and forth conversation. because if i tell it about some experience i had or some code i wrote it needs to have all that conversational pathway pre-written too
